Just wondering what the forum opinion is on this. Let's try to be civil everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even if it's the wrong one. :P
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/03/06/sd.abortion/index.html
Myself, I am Pro-Choice. :D
I too am Pro-Choice and glad that I don't live in South Dakota. Then again, I can't get pregnant but if my girlfriend did, it would be completely her choice to keep it.
I am Pro Choice
my opinion is this will open the door to back alley abortions and unnessary deaths
I think what he is doing is wrong.
Call me a fence sitter if ya'll want.......but I think that-
No woman takes having an abortion lightly as it is. To have or to not have an abortion totally depends on circumstances surrounding the pregnancy. Even then its really up to the woman. I'm tottally for a woman giving the baby up for adoption but I also understand there is times when abortion is the better choice. So keep abortion legal otherwise we'll force woman into some back alley somewhere where the end result will always result in really really bad things.
Quote from: Homer on March 06, 2006, 01:48:34 PM
Just wondering what the forum opinion is on this. Let's try to be civil everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even if it's the wrong one. :P
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/03/06/sd.abortion/index.html
Myself, I am Pro-Choice. :D
Me too, Homer.
I know they were talking about passing it as a "pending" law, since it violates Roe v. Wade.
Personally, I feel that it's a woman's choice. However, *IMO* I disagree with using it as a form of birth control.
Pro choice for sure
and guys I think we should stay out of it Let the women decide
its there body not your's Would you like your Body decided on <<by a women And you know what I mean I dont think so OUCH OUCH :)) :)) just dont forget>>> Mrs.Bobbit :))
I believe abortion is wrong. I personaly know a few ladys who get knocked up and thay run to get a abortion and thay don't care about useing birth control . there is adoption. as far as them going to a back alley and something going wrong welll how do thay think the baby felt when he or she was being yanked from her belley. abortion is being abused by to maney woman. and the woman who have a abortion in late tearm make me sick. this is just my opinion
Remember Homer said be nice. I oppose abortion as birth control which is what it has become. A womans choice is whether or not she will risk pregancy. I think abortion is fine for rape or incest victims or threat to mothers life. But women take responsibilty for you actions. Have sex can result in baby. Use birth control not abortion
your opinion is respected so should mine
I also agree with birth control for both male and female
it takes 2 to tango ;)
I took oppose abortion as a form of birth control if you knew going in that you didn't have any type of protection. If you're on the pill, using a condom and did everything humanly possible to avoid it and you still somehow get pregnant, then I don't have a problem with abortion. Just using it as "oh, we can have fun tonight and I'll get it taken care of tomorrow or Friday"... that's just plain sick.
Quote from: SaintHippo on March 06, 2006, 02:59:42 PM
I took oppose abortion as a form of birth control if you knew going in that you didn't have any type of protection. If you're on the pill, using a condom and did everything humanly possible to avoid it and you still somehow get pregnant, then I don't have a problem with abortion. Just using it as "oh, we can have fun tonight and I'll get it taken care of tomorrow or Friday"... that's just plain sick.
Those are my sentiments also. As someone who is not ashamed to say that I take my pill religously everyday and my bf does use condoms everytime NO MATTER WHAT, if it were a complete accident then we would talk about it. I'm only 24 but I know that we're both at a point in our lives, even after being together for 6 years now, that we don't want children now, if ever. But if it should ever come up I do want the choice to do something about it. I think it's even more important for women who have been raped or a victim of incest. I also feel the same way about the "moring after" pill. There is so much controversy over it, and it's a shame that they even need to make it except in the case of a rape or incest. I think it's sad that women in the century can feel safe and comfortable to go have unprotected sex with just anyone they meet.
I've heard if SD TOTALLY bans abortion, most likely within the next few years, it will be illegal in every state. In that case, more people will be dying and getting infections if they get an abortion. They use coat hangers and stuff that isnt wash.All contaminated. Gross if you think about it. Whats banning it gonna do? People are still going to find a way to get an abortion, but it will just be more dangerous.
Maybe the threat of death will make more women act responsbilite. I grew up when abortion was illegal. And I think the back street abortion story is way overplayed. because it was ilegal it didnt happen that often. Believe it or not a lot of women gave their babies up for adoption. The Florence Critteon(spelling is ?) Homes cared for unwed mothers. during their pregancy and counseled them then helped the with their final decsion. When abortion became legal the gates opened women didnt have to think anymore about what might happen. Of course I see a major breakdown in our country overall of people never accepting their actions. And that I believe is one of the rotten apples that is in the USA's barrel. I will tell you I was 17 when I got pregnant. My baby is now 34 I made the decision to raise my child not put her up for adoption. Was it easy NO But it was my job. I got pregnant.and I was raised to accept the result of my actions. It was the best decision I ever made. My daughter was 27 before she married had 2 college degrees. She learned from my story.
I am Pro Choice on abortion also....I agree tho it should not be used for birth control....but in cases of rapes and incest well....thats another story...and maybe I shouldnt even go there so I will leave it at this.. :-X
as a male I agree Tara
I leave that up to the FEMALE BUT ON THE OTHER SUBJECTS I do agree 100%
People do need to use common sense when having sex. People should take responsibility for their actions. I don't believe abortions should be a form of birth control. If you accidently got pregnant then you could always put the baby up for adoption. Abortion would not be the answer for that. At least the child would have a good life. It's simple, if you don't want to risk getting pregnant use protection. There are alot of women out there having abortions left and right because they weren't careful, or just simply because they didn't want the baby. I think that's wrong. Sometimes there are circumstances surrounding the abortion, but even if that case it could have been put up for adoption.
I don't think it should be made 'easy' to get an abortion..
BUT..
MY body MY choice..
I have a lady friend that her mother tried to use a coat hanger to 'take care' of that problem. She has had a lot of health and back problems all her life over that. I am not joking one bit either, this is a real story. I can not say that I can not say that I am for or against abortions. You never know untill you are faced with the problem what you will do? I am just glad that I have never had to have that talk with one of my girl friends or my wife. However, I beleive that it is up to the woman. I am old enough to remember hearing one of my mothers friends, who was an er nurse telling my mother all kinds of horror stories about women that had to get help at a 'real' hospital after a botched abortion. There was quite a few alley abortions going on in Arkansas when I was growing up from what I can remember. Just that you never heard about them untill something went wrong. I just do not want us to go back to having the alley abortions. If a woman wants to get an abortion, she will get it, legal or not. sorry but that is just the way it is. I just found out last week that I am going to be a grand pa again. This will be number 2 by this daugter and she is still not married. However, I can not live her life for her, she has to live her own life and I will stand behind her on what she desides to do and I will be here for her untill I die. All I know is that if she does get an abortion, I hope and pray to God that it is by a doctor that knows what they are doing. Her body, her choice.
Quote from: nanners on March 07, 2006, 02:34:06 AM
I don't think it should be made 'easy' to get an abortion..
BUT..
MY body MY choice..
Exactly Nanners. The South Dakota legislature is made up of 35 people, only two of which are women. I'm sorry, but who is a man to tell me what to do with my reproductive organs? Furthermore, this will be challenged in court over and over, until it winds up in front of the Supreme Court, whose majority is now conservative men. This is just a stepping stone to overturning Roe v. Wade.
If your going to get raped, Now is the time to do it, because if you get pregnant in the process, you're gonna have to have the kid... Or, if you have the money, fly to Canada.
Libra
speaking of Canada....being only give or take 6-8 hours from the border-there have been immigration lawyers from Canada coming here to my part of the world willing to walk people thru the process of becoming Canadian. Heck even one immigration lawyer is a former entertainment lawyer from Seattle. Maybe we should move to Canada with all this crap going on in the US.
I for one am outraged by this going on, this country is going backwards, I am pro choice, however I don't agree with ppl using it as birth control, I know of someone who has had more than two , for only basically the fact that she didn't want kids then which to me is horrible. But to every one of those kinds of women there are many who don't do that and make a very hard decision to abort for various reasons, like rape, incest, etc. We will go back to alley abortions, and doctors illegal perfoming them without the proper tools, if this country reverses roe and scarily I think it could happen. I don't understand what the hell is happening to the woman's rights we fought so hard for through the years!! My body, my choice, but there should be limits people should not be able to get abortion after abortion, and there shouldn't be late term abortions either, but that's just my opinion. and remember folks this is a friendly disscusion :)
like I said before you all can blast me as a fence sitter all you want. I still think abortion whould be allowed but at the same time I'll all for a woman to carry the baby and go for adoption. However there are times that abortion is the better choice. Shouldn't be used as birth control but it should be there as an option. No woman should ever take getting an abortion lighty but it is there to use if that is the choice you wish to make. And I won't, nor have I ever looked badly on a woman if she has ever had one or wishes to get one. Libra I agree with what ya said....women out there spread your legs for daddy or go get your self raped while you can still have an abortion. Or we can pool our money together and move to Canada.
I am pro choice, but one thing that makes me sick about this South Dakota law is that it doesn't even have a provision for cases of incest or rape. The governor signed this into law today. I think it's pretty sad that the government wants to tell a woman that was raped that she has to carry the baby that resulted to term.
My body My choice. Well said Nanners.
Here's the thing. Its not like an abortion is a "sweep me out/clean me up and go on about your day" kinda thing. It is a trauma to your body. If there are women out there TRULY using abortion as a form of birth control, that's just nuts.
But can you who are anti-choice really say that if your 14-year-old daughter/granddaughter/niece, etc. was incested and became pregnant that you would expect her to carry the child to term? Abortion causes trauma to the body and a woman has to carry her choice with her for the rest of her life...but my god, I cannot imagine the psychological trauma to the mother in this case. I could never handle that at age 30; imagine what it would do to a child. (I am pro-choice at all levels...her body, her choice; I use this story for illustrative purposes only.)
I just think it is funny that what, 2 weeks have gone by since Alito was confirmed to the Supreme Court? Radical Right at their worst again...I hope the voters of South Dakota respond to this gross misuse of the legal system and vote them all out of office. Hopefully NOW or NARAL is up there organizing women voters....
You're right Bubblegum...It is the end of the world as we know it...except I don't feel so fine.
Quote from: foxx on March 07, 2006, 08:59:58 AM
My body My choice. Well said Nanners.
Here's the thing. Its not like an abortion is a "sweep me out/clean me up and go on about your day" kinda thing. It is a trauma to your body. If there are women out there TRULY using abortion as a form of birth control, that's just nuts.
But can you who are anti-choice really say that if your 14-year-old daughter/granddaughter/niece, etc. was incested and became pregnant that you would expect her to carry the child to term? Abortion causes trauma to the body and a woman has to carry her choice with her for the rest of her life...but my god, I cannot imagine the psychological trauma to the mother in this case. I could never handle that at age 30; imagine what it would do to a child. (I am pro-choice at all levels...her body, her choice; I use this story for illustrative purposes only.)
I just think it is funny that what, 2 weeks have gone by since Alito was confirmed to the Supreme Court? Radical Right at their worst again...I hope the voters of South Dakota respond to this gross misuse of the legal system and vote them all out of office. Hopefully NOW or NARAL is up there organizing women voters....
You're right Bubblegum...It is the end of the world as we know it...except I don't feel so fine.
How much you wanna bet that Florida is next?
Waging (and raging) Lib
Okay Foxx since I am against abortion for those accidental preganices I will answer the question. I have no problem with abortion in the case of incest or rape. Those events are so full of truama that to expect any woman to see a pregancy thorugh taht resultsfrom those crimes is wrong. But with the abortion rate in this country it has become a method of birth conrol. If its not then the incidents of rape incest are grossly underreported. As I said before. Guys if you have unprotected sex It can create a child. Women if you have unprotected sex it can create a baby. No just because you cant conrol your drinking or have the thought its only once. dont expect abortion to be your out. I have a least six friends who were unable to have children but couldnt adopt infants because they are not available. All six adopted sibiling groups.
Christopher Titus-a comedian once said that 60% of Americans (don't remember the figure exactly) come from disfuncional family's and/or crazy or not considered "normal" by traditional standards. So when a meteor shower hits the earth and its the end of the world-all the normal people are going to be going OMG THE WORLD IS ENDING and us crazy people will be saying "Hey, no one's watching the Lexis dealership" :))
Quote from: spiritwarrior1953 on March 07, 2006, 09:13:52 AM
Okay Foxx since I am against abortion for those accidental preganices I will answer the question. I have no problem with abortion in the case of incest or rape. Those events are so full of truama that to expect any woman to see a pregancy thorugh taht resultsfrom those crimes is wrong. But with the abortion rate in this country it has become a method of birth conrol. If its not then the incidents of rape incest are grossly underreported. As I said before. Guys if you have unprotected sex It can create a child. Women if you have unprotected sex it can create a baby. No just because you cant conrol your drinking or have the thought its only once. dont expect abortion to be your out. I have a least six friends who were unable to have children but couldnt adopt infants because they are not available. All six adopted sibiling groups.
Actually, that's incorrect. Abortions are actually down in the United States quite a bit over the last few years. Here are the official statistics:
Abortion Statistics - Using Contraception (U.S.)
54% of women having an abortion said they used some form of contraception during the month they became pregnant.
90% of women who are at risk for unplanned pregnancies are using contraception
8% of women having an abortion say they have never used contraception.
It is possible that up to 43% of the decline in abortion from 1994-2000 can be attributed to using emergency contraception.
Lib
I m glad you posted the stats but being the distrustful suspecting person I am of anything related to government. Statsasre slanted to support whatever conclusion you want. It is done through the wording of the question So I usually discount stats completely .I recently read article that the poll regarding Bush approval rating being at 34% was in fact slanted and not completly honest. Another group rephrased the question and came up with 43% l
Quote from: spiritwarrior1953 on March 07, 2006, 09:13:52 AM
Okay Foxx since I am against abortion for those accidental preganices I will answer the question. I have no problem with abortion in the case of incest or rape. Those events are so full of truama that to expect any woman to see a pregancy thorugh taht resultsfrom those crimes is wrong. But with the abortion rate in this country it has become a method of birth conrol. If its not then the incidents of rape incest are grossly underreported. As I said before. Guys if you have unprotected sex It can create a child. Women if you have unprotected sex it can create a baby. No just because you cant conrol your drinking or have the thought its only once. dont expect abortion to be your out. I have a least six friends who were unable to have children but couldnt adopt infants because they are not available. All six adopted sibiling groups.
In fact, they are. According to the Department of Justice, only 39% of rapes and sexual assaults in the United States were reported to law enforcement officials. This statistic does not include incest, as the DOJ does not consider it "rape". I can only imagine that the statistics on reported incest would hover somewhere around 10%.
...and I am not trying to create controversy...I didn't really expect anyone to respond, I just wanted to give everyone something to think on.
*ETA: I just read your post re: mistrusting Statistics (which I can understand!). I can however tell you, I work with sexual assault survivors and I was surprised at the 39% number. In my experience, that number is actually way lower.
I have enjoyed hearing everyones opion and respect all of them.
In my last responce I said that I can not say that I am for or against abortions. Well after re-reading My post and all the other post. I can say that I am pro abortion in cases of Rape, Incest, or the health of the mother/baby. However I still think that we should have the same punishment for the men that rapes/causes incest to women/childern that they have in Angolia Africa. My brother-in-law works over there and told me waht they do in those cases. lol. The man will not do it again OR any man that watches what happens to the man that is guilty. (I still hurt every time I think about their punishment).
I am Pro Choice and fully back up my opinion. I think a women has a right to do what she wants to do with her body. I also do not believe that a women should use a abortion as a form of birth control. I can see if a person got pregnant was raped, incest...etc, then that person should have a chose to choose what is right for them.
And Nanners you statement "MY body MY choice.." I fully agree with.
Personally am pro choice, there are times when an abortion may be called for. Remeber there are women being raped, or in abusive relationships and feel bringing a child into that would not be a good choice. Also there are young girls who are not educated enough to know about birth control, etc etc.
Remember the girl who gave birth in the bathroom at her prom and left the child to die? Would aborting that child have been worse than dying in a toilet?
I believe that outlawing abortions will cause a world of chaos. It will not make women or girls wiser, it will not make them make better choices. Instead it will cause more babies being born in toilets or found dead in dumpsters. More crack babies living off the state that the tax payers have to pay for. And what of the babies who survive and go on to be raised by the woman who didn't want it? Will it be loved and cherished and taught right from wrong, or will it be ignored, abused, neglected and given very little education......which will probably turn into a life of crime.
Further more......how is it a man's business what a woman does with her body? How is a man to make that decision for all the women in that state, or in the country......or however far this will escalate. The only man who should have any say in the matter is the man who fathered the child, he is the only one who may protest to it being aborted.
Want a solution to all this? I say, make people need a licensce to have children. We need a license to get married and drive a car, do we not? Sure having children is our god given right......but obviously it's being abused. I say, make couples, or even single parents, get a liscense to have a baby, and untill they have the license, free mandatory birth control for both men and women, and not a pill a woman can forget to take. Sure it will raise a lot of controversy and people would fight it........but abortion and birth control raises controversy also. Anyways, that's just my opinion.......thought I'd share.
I get the feeling that most all of us agree on abortion with limits. I agree abortion for victims of sexual crimes should have the option. Also those with life threating illness. I cannot accept late term or partial birth abortion. I also cannot accept abortion as birth control. A few years ago I was one who said My Body My Choice . Then I saw ultasound. Ultrasound was not used when I was pregnant. My daughter showed me the video tape of her ultrasound and I changed my view. I saw my unborn grandson He streched his arms gave a yawn and then curled into a tighter fetal position and started to suck his fist. I knew at that instance I could no longer support abortion without limits. I am not opposed to abortion just abortion without limits. I cannot and will not accept abortion as a means of birth control
Quote from: spiritwarrior1953 on March 08, 2006, 09:32:51 AM
I get the feeling that most all of us agree on abortion with limits. I agree abortion for victims of sexual crimes should have the option. Also those with life threating illness. I cannot accept late term or partial birth abortion. I also cannot accept abortion as birth control. A few years ago I was one who said My Body My Choice . Then I saw ultasound. Ultrasound was not used when I was pregnant. My daughter showed me the video tape of her ultrasound and I changed my view. I saw my unborn grandson He streched his arms gave a yawn and then curled into a tighter fetal position and started to suck his fist. I knew at that instance I could no longer support abortion without limits. I am not opposed to abortion just abortion without limits. I cannot and will not accept abortion as a means of birth control
I don't think the majority women use abortion or see abortion as birth control. I don't think they say, "Oh to hell with it, I can go get this taken care of if something happens." First of all, it's not affordable, not readily available, and quite frankly, probably a gut wrenching decision for most women. Of course, there are exceptions, and I"m sure there are a few women out there who do abuse the right, however, don't penalize my right to choose because of a few idiots.
Libra
I wish my mom would of aborted me.
:o :o awe you don't mean that and Im sorry if you do....I think we all feel like that sometimes but then we realize its really not that bad
no, it was pretty bad, shes nuts!
and i don't mean, OMG she wouldn't let me watch tv .....my life is over.