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Philly is famous for being home of the original cheesesteak. :D

For almost a month Joe Vento, owner of Geno's Steaks has come under fire for putting up a sign that reads: "This Is AMERICA. WHEN ORDERING Please 'SPEAK ENGLISH"

Is it unreasonable to ask that people living in the US be able to speak the national language which happens to be English?

If you haven't read about it here is the story from Yahoo.

Fri Jun 16, 7:35 AM ET

Sub-standard.

"This Is AMERICA. WHEN ORDERING Please 'SPEAK ENGLISH' " Not exactly a warm and friendly greeting. Those small signs at Geno's Steaks, a Philadelphia cheese steak institution, have created a big controversy about free speech, immigration and discrimination.

Owner Joe Vento, 66, believes it's an immigrant's duty to learn English, just as his Italian grandparents did. So he put up the oddly punctuated signs six months ago, sparking worldwide publicity.

This week, the city's Commission on Human Relations charged Geno's with violating anti-discrimination laws through "discouraging patronage by non-English speaking customers."

It's illegal in Philadelphia to refuse service based on national origin, race, gender, religion, disability, sexual orientation or marital status. But Geno's hasn't been charged with turning anyone away. Even so, the commission warns that Vento could be fined unless he removes the signs. "They would have to handcuff me and take me out," he told the Associated Press.

The signs are unwelcome mats. But however offensive they may be to some, Vento should be free to post them. To do otherwise is to say that he can't make a simple request, or express a political opinion. Thanks to the First Amendment, he has a right to do both. Vento's business might benefit more from some brotherly love, but if he wants to drive away customers, that's his business.

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My opinion on the subject is....

Yes. This is the United States. Our national language is English. Is it unreasonable to expect immigrants to speak English? No, not in my opinion.

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If you don't think it should be mandatory, I'd love to know why?

My boyfriend's parents only speak Mandarin.  They raised five, wonderful kids.  One, my fiance, is a successful restraunteur, one is a school teacher, one is an engineer, one is an accountant and the other is an IT tech.  His parents were hardworking members of society who've paid they're taxes.  I live in a place where sometimes you need to know Spanish to get a job.  I honestly don't have a problem with people not knowing English as long as it doesn't interfere with them contributing to society, but I'm probably in the minority. 

If I could get to Philly (I'm not far from there but I don't drive, lol)  I'd want to go & shake Joe's hand.   I feel he has the right to put up the sign if he wishes.  If people don't like it then just don't go in his shop.  My opinion is if someone wants to live in the USA & be a citizen, then learn the language.  They can always speak their own language in their own home if they want.   :***

This subject could get yucky. I just don't like when I'm buying something and I have to look for the English words on the box, or the English words in the instructions and directions, and push number 1 if you want to hear this in English... It's getting pretty bad.

Tara Out  :pp

Quote from: Tara on June 26, 2006, 04:26:00 PM
This subject could get yucky. I just don't like when I'm buying something and I have to look for the English words on the box, or the English words in the instructions and directions, and push number 1 if you want to hear this in English... It's getting pretty bad.

Tara Out  :pp

I knew when I posted this it had the potential to get yucky but I think we are capable of having a civilized discussion on the matter.

We are all entitled to our opinions. If it gets out of hand I'll cork it.

Quote from: Homer on June 26, 2006, 04:33:46 PM
If it gets out of hand I'll cork YOU.

YAY!!! I can't wait.   :))

Quote from: Tara on June 26, 2006, 04:38:43 PM

Quote from: Homer on June 26, 2006, 04:33:46 PM
If it gets out of hand I'll cork YOU.

YAY!!! I can't wait.   :))

(https://www.pogocheats.net/proxy/?http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/hol/hockey9.gif) Tara goes to the penalty box for illegal quoting.  :-\

I agree with  Tara, it is America and we shouldn't have to press 1 for english. The thing that got me going was the immigration day or whatever, where all the immigrants weren't going to work and whatever. They wanted to show us (Americans) that we can't go a day without them. I did. I hardly ever go to a dunkin donuts cuz they can't speak english and can't get my order correct. Most of the places I go to English speaking Americans work, so it is easier for me to do what I need to. I wouldn't hire an illegal immigrant, doesn't matter how cheap I could get one. I was born and raised here and I don't have as many federal things as some immigrants do.... healthcare, I haven't been to the doctor for a physical for 10 years. I have gone to the hosp and doctors for emergency only. Immigrants can come to the US and be treated better than those of us that were born here. Something is definately wrong with that. I am sick of seeing spanish words and this and that, I don't speak spanish, I know some spanish words but I will not have my country taken over by immigrants. Ok I'm stepping off the soap box before I say something to get myself in trouble.

Quote from: Tara on June 26, 2006, 04:38:43 PM

Quote from: Homer on June 26, 2006, 04:33:46 PM
If it gets out of hand I'll cork YOU.

YAY!!! I can't wait.   :))

Ok... That made me gigglespew!

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Quote from: CindyLouWho on June 26, 2006, 04:18:58 PM
If I could get to Philly (I'm not far from there but I don't drive, lol)  I'd want to go & shake Joe's hand.   I feel he has the right to put up the sign if he wishes.  If people don't like it then just don't go in his shop.  My opinion is if someone wants to live in the USA & be a citizen, then learn the language.  They can always speak their own language in their own home if they want.   :***

Here I go again ..I fully agree with Homer and Cindy on this topic.

I have many "international" friends. One person I met when he was only 21. He could speak English well enough to carry on a conversation. He wanted to come to US eventually to obtain his Master's degree..if I'm not mistaken there were certain tests he had to take re English proficiency. He did this, did  well, got his Master's and now owns couple of different businesses here in US and yes, of course, he is here legally...and can speak English better than lots of American citizens I know.

Quote from: WhatAutos on June 26, 2006, 04:44:54 PM

Quote from: CindyLouWho on June 26, 2006, 04:18:58 PM
If I could get to Philly (I'm not far from there but I don't drive, lol)  I'd want to go & shake Joe's hand.   I feel he has the right to put up the sign if he wishes.  If people don't like it then just don't go in his shop.  My opinion is if someone wants to live in the USA & be a citizen, then learn the language.  They can always speak their own language in their own home if they want.   :***

Here I go again ..I fully agree with Homer and Cindy on this topic.

I have many "international" friends. One person I met when he was only 21. He could speak English well enough to carry on a conversation. He wanted to come to US eventually to obtain his Master's degree..if I'm not mistaken there were certain tests he had to take re English proficiency. He did this, did  well, got his Master's and now owns couple of different businesses here in US and yes, of course, he is here legally...and can speak English better than lots of American citizens I know.

Good point.  I've seen a couple of American born citizens that could handle an English class or two. 

And for the record, our local economy would sink to unknown depths without the Spanish-American community. 

I'm jus' sayin'.

I live in an area where we have alot of migrant/seasonal workers. Most of the workers are spanish speaking. We have translators in kindergarten because the children come to school not knowing how to speak English. All the phone centers in our area will only hire you if you are bilingual. Now that Ive been nice ... let me be the a*****e ... I think its a buncha crap that you cannot get a job in the area unless you speak spanish. I think its a buncha crap that the kids spend 2 months in the school not being able to communicate with only ONE person.

I think, not only, that English should be required to vote - It should not be just immigrants. I think anyone registering to vote should have to pass a basic literacy test - verbal or written. So yeah, Im the a*****e.

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Well chit, ya'll basically said all my stuff, but I thought it out and worked hard so youre gettin it anyways.

We were all immigrants at some point for the most part.

People here illegally should be deported. The system definitely needs to be worked on. There are rules and regulations for getting into the country legally. These rules should be enforced. I have no problem with people on legitimate visas but I also think they should be able to communicate in the national language of English. I have no problem with them being bilingual as long as when needed they are able to communicate in English.

Quote from: Homer on June 26, 2006, 04:49:40 PM
We were all immigrants at some point for the most part.

People here illegally should be deported. The system definitely needs to be worked on. There are rules and regulations for getting into the country legally. These rules should be enforced. I have no problem with people on legitimate visas but I also think they should be able to communicate in the national language of English. I have no problem with them being bilingual as long as when needed they are able to communicate in English.

Amen and Hallelujah 0:  ;)

I have absolutely no problems with legal immigrants..go through the process.

I have several wonderful friends who are here legally with visas. They had to go through the "process" so why shouldn't everyone else? Heck, I love everybody though  <3

I love Philly.  So many wonderful memories...Out west they just don't make philly cheesesteaks the way I like.

Anyway as the kid of immigrants I didn't learn English until I started Kindergarten.  But my opinion, for whatever the hell it's worth, I don't think anyone should be allowed to become a citizen without learning English.  I honestly don't give a rat's ass what language you speak, what ethnic background your from or the God you worship.  I'm all for diveresty.  Hubby and I both embrace it.  However, when I place my order at McDonald's, or talk to an employee at any store, I expect to speak to them in English.  I expect you to answer me in English like wise.  I don't want to push one for English, two for Arabic or whatever.

My parents came to the US legally, so did Hubby's parents.  It's not fair to them and anyone else who came here legally to allow the illegally immigrants immunity.   I say screw em, your not here legally, get the hell out.  Go back to where you came from.

I may sound harsh, but that's how I feel.

This probably isn't the best time to tell anyone I was born in Spain is it?  It's not my fault my Dad was in the service and my Mom was working at the club on base and they were doing each other.  >:D

Anyways, when I called Pogo the other day, I had to ask them to please put someone else on the phone that I could understand. I couldn't even understand the help support person on the phone.

Quote from: Homer on June 26, 2006, 04:49:40 PM
We were all immigrants at some point for the most part.

People here illegally should be deported. The system definitely needs to be worked on. There are rules and regulations for getting into the country legally. These rules should be enforced. I have no problem with people on legitimate visas but I also think they should be able to communicate in the national language of English. I have no problem with them being bilingual as long as when needed they are able to communicate in English.

Quote from: bubblegum on June 26, 2006, 05:02:35 PMIt's not fair to them and anyone else who came here legally to allow the illegally immigrants immunity.   I say screw em, your not here legally, get the hell out.  Go back to where you came from.

I totally agree with both Homer and Bubbles on this, if you are here illegally get out. Legal immigrants are fine as long as they know how to write and speak english. When I worked at a grocery store you should have seen all the brazilians with wads of money, can't speak or write english trying to send money western union, or other immigrants trying to get their WIC order. They would try getting those new toddler meals things they have instead of infant cereal, or the real exspensive formula when it wasn't on their slip. Then they look at ya like deer in headlights cuz they don't understand you. Its amazing though the illegal immigrants wanting our freedoms and they get it. Hell they can have a kid here and the kid is now an american and would probably get treated better than I would, not having insurance and all. My fiance keeps saying that we should leave the US and come back to get treated better than we do now. <a href="http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb008_ZNxmk788YYUS" target="_blank"><img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_2_205.gif" alt="Soapbox" border="0"></a> Time for someone else to step on the soap box.

I look at it like this: If I went to live in Mexico or China or probably pretty much anywhere I think I would have to learn the language to be able to survive there. I really don't think a whole country would adapt to just me. I would have to adapt to life in a new country and that would include learning the language. So I think those rules should apply to people coming into this country. I think the reason people don't learn english is because we have "Press 1 for English, Press 2 for Spanish, Please see other side for English instructions etc." I think we make it to easy to survive here if you don't know english. . . . . Just my 2 cents worth!

I also agree that if you are here illegally you should get out. And for those wanting to move here to the US, they should learn to speak English. My husband is Romanian, and he and his family became legal US citizens when he was 11. His family speaks English, but not as well as I do. My in-laws speak Romanian when they're at home, but my husband speaks in English all the time. Which is a good thing, because I don't understand any Romanian...lol.

I agree, but technically Spanish is already the primary language and soon to be Chinese. So if anyone is going to be learning anything, then English should be a backhand behind those two.

Quote from: swissmissy63 on June 26, 2006, 05:35:08 PM
I look at it like this: If I went to live in Mexico or China or probably pretty much anywhere I think I would have to learn the language to be able to survive there. I really don't think a whole country would adapt to just me. I would have to adapt to life in a new country and that would include learning the language. So I think those rules should apply to people coming into this country. I think the reason people don't learn english is because we have "Press 1 for English, Press 2 for Spanish, Please see other side for English instructions etc." I think we make it to easy to survive here if you don't know english. . . . . Just my 2 cents worth!

WHOOOOOHOOOOOOO. You hit the nail on the head.

Quote from: helringer on June 26, 2006, 05:55:47 PM
I agree, but technically Spanish is already the primary language and soon to be Chinese. So if anyone is going to be learning anything, then English should be a backhand behind those two.

:ooo :oo  :ll

Technically, it is true, Damian. Spanish, if not already, will be the primary speaking language around the world. After that it will be Chinese. America won't rule the world a few years from now, so what's the point of forcing immigrants to learn a language that won't be the main way to communicate? Yeah, it'll still be a highly used one and it's good to know for now, but in a few years it won't be... not if China is taking over the world. That's how I see it.

I also think that they should have to learn English too.

I also don't like the idea that they made the National Anthem into Spanish.
Well it's someone else's turn to say something.  :)                                         

Quote from: helringer on June 26, 2006, 06:22:02 PM
Technically, it is true, Damian. Spanish, if not already, will be the primary speaking language around the world. After that it will be Chinese. America won't rule the world a few years from now, so what's the point of forcing immigrants to learn a language that won't be the main way to communicate? Yeah, it'll still be a highly used one and it's good to know for now, but in a few years it won't be... not if China is taking over the world. That's how I see it.

China is taking over the world?   :'(( >>:D

Quote from: fiz on June 26, 2006, 06:28:40 PM

Quote from: helringer on June 26, 2006, 06:22:02 PM
Technically, it is true, Damian. Spanish, if not already, will be the primary speaking language around the world. After that it will be Chinese. America won't rule the world a few years from now, so what's the point of forcing immigrants to learn a language that won't be the main way to communicate? Yeah, it'll still be a highly used one and it's good to know for now, but in a few years it won't be... not if China is taking over the world. That's how I see it.

China is taking over the world?   :'(( >>:D

Yeah, so I've heard because America is slacking.

Quote from: helringer on June 26, 2006, 06:22:02 PM
Technically, it is true, Damian. Spanish, if not already, will be the primary speaking language around the world. After that it will be Chinese. America won't rule the world a few years from now, so what's the point of forcing immigrants to learn a language that won't be the main way to communicate? Yeah, it'll still be a highly used one and it's good to know for now, but in a few years it won't be... not if China is taking over the world. That's how I see it.

I'm learning Chinese.  I think in order to fully succeed internationally in business then one must know it.  I'm even learning the more popular Mandarin as opposed to the Cantonese my boyfriend speaks. I speak enough Spanish to get by here in the Spanish-American populated south Florida. 

We live in a diverse world.  Times are changing.  It's time we accept those changes.  Besides, I like living in a culturally diverse place.  But then again, I'm the loner here in this thread.  O0

Quote from: Libra on June 26, 2006, 06:45:43 PM

Quote from: helringer on June 26, 2006, 06:22:02 PM
Technically, it is true, Damian. Spanish, if not already, will be the primary speaking language around the world. After that it will be Chinese. America won't rule the world a few years from now, so what's the point of forcing immigrants to learn a language that won't be the main way to communicate? Yeah, it'll still be a highly used one and it's good to know for now, but in a few years it won't be... not if China is taking over the world. That's how I see it.

I'm learning Chinese.  I think in order to fully succeed internationally in business then one must know it.  I'm even learning the more popular Mandarin as opposed to the Cantonese my boyfriend speaks. I speak enough Spanish to get by here in the Spanish-American populated south Florida. 

We live in a diverse world.  Times are changing.  It's time we accept those changes.  Besides, I like living in a culturally diverse place.  But then again, I'm the loner here in this thread.  O0

Right now I speak Spanish, French and English. I used to know Japanese and German, but I haven't really looked into enough over the years to remember much of it. I'd like to learn Chinese... there was a teacher I had who got Chinese tutorials so she could learn it because the schools here are expecting to drop the French language out of its curriculum and that's what she taught, so she was considering learning it so she could keep her job. I think it's wiser to know more than your primary language because no matter where you go, you aren't going to hear people talk the way you or I do.

Quote from: helringer on June 26, 2006, 06:58:14 PM

Quote from: Libra on June 26, 2006, 06:45:43 PM

Quote from: helringer on June 26, 2006, 06:22:02 PM
Technically, it is true, Damian. Spanish, if not already, will be the primary speaking language around the world. After that it will be Chinese. America won't rule the world a few years from now, so what's the point of forcing immigrants to learn a language that won't be the main way to communicate? Yeah, it'll still be a highly used one and it's good to know for now, but in a few years it won't be... not if China is taking over the world. That's how I see it.

I'm learning Chinese.  I think in order to fully succeed internationally in business then one must know it.  I'm even learning the more popular Mandarin as opposed to the Cantonese my boyfriend speaks. I speak enough Spanish to get by here in the Spanish-American populated south Florida. 

We live in a diverse world.  Times are changing.  It's time we accept those changes.  Besides, I like living in a culturally diverse place.  But then again, I'm the loner here in this thread.  O0

Right now I speak Spanish, French and English. I used to know Japanese and German, but I haven't really looked into enough over the years to remember much of it. I'd like to learn Chinese... there was a teacher I had who got Chinese tutorials so she could learn it because the schools here are expecting to drop the French language out of its curriculum and that's what she taught, so she was considering learning it so she could keep her job. I think it's wiser to know more than your primary language because no matter where you go, you aren't going to hear people talk the way you or I do.

Well, you should have seen the looks I got when I first moved here.  Speaking strickly "Southern Appalachia", I often got odd looks. 

I love language in all its manifestations.  I have a language CD that Bare (she's a forum member) left at my house when she came to visit.  I also can proudly curse in 7 different languages.  We have a big Haitian population down here, and I'm one of the few white people that can actually cuss them out in their only language.  :))

Did you know that the French, Cajun and Haitian all speak a form of French, but can barely understand each other?  Most of them don't care to understand, either.  I think it's a shame.   ::)

It's a matter of circumstance that English is the language of the majority. If the outcomes of wars had been different, French or Spanish would be the language of the majority.

The United States is the land of opportunity. People come here to make a better life for their families and themselves. I would like that to continue because I wouldn't exist if this country were different. I don't even know that my ancestors came to this country legally, so it's difficult for me to understand other Americans who want to restrict immigration.

As for communicating English, my experiences has been that adults aren't confident in their speaking abilities when speaking with native speakers. They mumble and also have an accent that may be difficult to understand, so they may need to rely on their children or communicate in their native tongues. I don't believe that immigrants are opposed to learning English, but it does take time to learn the language. It also takes time to build confidence in one's ability to speak a language.

I'm grateful that I studied Spanish in high school because I can communicate in another language. Learning Spanish also helped me understand English better.

Here we go...
To those who say, "If you're here illegally...go back."  Do you know how ignorant this makes you sound? Maybe you fail to realize most of your families came here illegally and you're now reaping the benefits of our economical success. Also, why should they "go back?" Is it because they are different from you? God forbid we have a diverse country where people can keep their original citizenship.

To those who say, "We must all be able to speak English in America." Here's a newsflash, most "Americans" couldn't form a proper sentence if their life depended on it. Maybe, we should worry about how ignorant our current citizens are before we try to regulate others.

Quote from: BluRaven on June 26, 2006, 08:56:58 PM
Here we go...
To those who say, "If you're here illegally...go back."  Do you know how ignorant this makes you sound? Maybe you fail to realize most of your families came here illegally and you're now reaping the benefits of our economical success. Also, why should they "go back?" Is it because they are different from you? God forbid we have a diverse country where people can keep their original citizenship.

To those who say, "We must all be able to speak English in America." Here's a newsflash, most "Americans" couldn't form a proper sentence if their life depended on it. Maybe, we should worry about how ignorant our current citizens are before we try to regulate others.

Wow!  I wanted to say this, but couldn't find the words.  (no pun intended)

My hero!   :-*

theres quite a few who dont speak it.

que?

i agree with cindy,homer,tara

Quote from: BluRaven on June 26, 2006, 08:56:58 PM
Here we go...
To those who say, "If you're here illegally...go back."  Do you know how ignorant this makes you sound? Maybe you fail to realize most of your families came here illegally and you're now reaping the benefits of our economical success. Also, why should they "go back?" Is it because they are different from you? God forbid we have a diverse country where people can keep their original citizenship.

To those who say, "We must all be able to speak English in America." Here's a newsflash, most "Americans" couldn't form a proper sentence if their life depended on it. Maybe, we should worry about how ignorant our current citizens are before we try to regulate others.

I don't know about you, but whenever I see someone write inproper it really frustrates me.

Then I think about all the Americans who b!tch about how complicated our language is and how they'd rather resort to a simpler method. Now they're going to go around telling immigrants they're required to speak English? I don't know about anyone else, but I enjoy the irony.

Well, I can understand why they can't understand much of their similar language, Lib. I took two years of French and I'm still not accustomed to the language and how they speak. Their voices are so high-pitched, enough to shatter glass, especially when they're "excited" and so very uneasy to be understood. I'm sure people who grew up with the language with the people who speak the exact one they do without a mix-up between languages can understand, but the French speak extremely quick and it's hard to pinpoint certain things they even said when they speak because it's so quick. Spanish is so much easier to pick up on.

OOO, I can curse in the two I know outside of English. I was never taught curse words in Japanese or German. I know more cursing and vulgar sentences in Spanish because we would always do projects that required a dictionary and we would look up certain things and then our teacher would construct a sentence for us. It was so fun! There was one about a cat in your pants or something else  (:-X), then we'd talk about a cow and doing stuff... and it was just vulgar fun, if you wanna call it that, lol...

Quote from: BluRaven on June 26, 2006, 08:56:58 PM
Here we go...
To those who say, "If you're here illegally...go back."  Do you know how ignorant this makes you sound? Maybe you fail to realize most of your families came here illegally and you're now reaping the benefits of our economical success. Also, why should they "go back?" Is it because they are different from you? God forbid we have a diverse country where people can keep their original citizenship.

To those who say, "We must all be able to speak English in America." Here's a newsflash, most "Americans" couldn't form a proper sentence if their life depended on it. Maybe, we should worry about how ignorant our current citizens are before we try to regulate others.

To those who say, "If you're here illegally...go back."  Do you know how ignorant this makes you sound?

I have heard that said many times, said it myself on many occasions and think it everytime I see an unemployed, homeless or otherwise "needy" legal citizen.

Here's a newsflash, most "Americans" couldn't form a proper sentence if their life depended on it. Maybe, we should worry about how ignorant our current citizens are before we try to regulate others

The real newsflash is; Most Americans over the age of 40 Can and DO form proper sentences in their daily lives (except maybe when they are chatting on computers and don't type well), they learned proper English in school, Elementary school, not College. The legal population under forty years of age has a significant percentage that either cant read, reads poorly or can read but has poor reading comprehension skills. I believe this can be directly attributed to the immigration problem. Multi Billions of dollars go into trying to alleviate the Illegal Immigration problem. That money could be spent giving our children the quality education we received forty years ago in this Country. Many more Millions of our dollars go into teaching English as a second language to the Legal Immigrants. Again, forty years ago, I believe, that was the family's responsibility not the public school systems.

My point, Blu is that while you are absolutely correct about the state of our school system and the result that it produces at an alarming rate, in my humble opinion, it is directly tied to the Immigration problem that this thread is addressing.

As for the the rest of it, I don't care what language anyone speaks to their family or friends but if you're going to work in a service industry, and especially if you're going to call me on or answer when I dial a number on my phone please speak ENGLISH!

Same way, PS. I don't care whether you speak English or not, but if someone is going to contact me then it should be a well-trained English speaker that can easily communicate with me in order to satisfy whatever needs I need to be handled. It's like when you call Dell Customer Support and it seems like you never get support because you have people from India taking and trying to support your problems when you can hardly clarify what they're getting you to do. Then it leads to me hanging up and having to spend money just because someone couldn't speak my own language.

I still don't think English is mandatory in this country, though. Like I said, if our country is going to learn anything, then it should probably be the languages that will dominate the world because English is falling rapidly into the second language placement and soon will be overlapped by Chinese.

I hear what you're saying Mr Scan but this is MY Country. I learned a little French when I was in grade school. It was mandatory. I have since forgotten all but a few words. I lived in Turkey for a year and I had to learn to speak Turkish, they would not post English signs or hire English speaking employee's for my convenience. There were no English speaking doctors when I got sick. I HAD to learn THEIR language. I learned to barter when I went out to shop because I learned that the Turkish people did not expect for you to pay the first price that they gave you for an item. They laughed and called you names behind your back if you did pay the full asking price. I learned to speak Italian and to respect the Italian customs when I lived there as I did when I lived in Germany. I don't think asking the same of other cultures when they come to our Country to visit/live is asking too much. I think they (the Immigrants) should expect it and I think we, as Americans (whether we're first generation or 20th generation Americans), deserve it.

Quote from: PogoSlave on June 27, 2006, 02:24:36 AM
I hear what you're saying Mr Scan but this is MY Country. I learned a little French when I was in grade school. It was mandatory. I have since forgotten all but a few words. I lived in Turkey for a year and I had to learn to speak Turkish, they would not post English signs or hire English speaking employee's for my convenience. There were no English speaking doctors when I got sick. I HAD to learn THEIR language. I learned to barter when I went out to shop because I learned that the Turkish people did not expect for you to pay the first price that they gave you for an item. They laughed and called you names behind your back if you did pay the full asking price. I learned to speak Italian and to respect the Italian customs when I lived there as I did when I lived in Germany. I don't think asking the same of other cultures when they come to our Country to visit/live is asking too much. I think they (the Immigrants) should expect it and I think we, as Americans (whether we're first generation or 20th generation Americans), deserve it.

Well, I do have to agree with you. However, some people, though, don't have enough education, expenses or even time to devote to learning another language. Tutorials costs money and most of the time immigrants come to America because that's exactly what they don't have, so how are we to expect that out of them when they can't afford it? I think it's wiser for them to do so, but again it'd be wiser for English-speakers to learn Spanish since that is the leading language in the U.S., plus I think it'd be a lot more effective.

Again I have to disagree. Ideally, in a perfect world you would be absolutely right, but this is not a perfect world. We, as a nation can not afford to take on the financial responsibility for the rest of the world. I know that they are poor and they can have a better life here than they can have in their own Country but for every one of them that comes here and gets into our system because they cannot afford to take care of themselves we're putting one more of our citizens out of a food line or out of a shelter, or taking the money that he/she would have gotten from the government to help pay his/her rent that month. One more baby won't get his immunizations, one more senior won't get their medications or their visiting nurse, one more mother won't get child care for her children, one more family home destroyed by a natural disaster won't be rebuilt. We do much to help citizens of many poor Countries. It would be great to do more . It would be wonderful to open our borders to all that wish to become part of this great nation that we belong to but first we must put our own house in order. We must first feed, clothe, house, educate and make safe all of our citizens. Only then can we become the idealistic Nation that so many wish we could be. 

I can already hear you saying "but that's not fair", and "why do we deserve to be taken care of if they don't?" The answers are 1. It isn't fair. 2. We were blessed enough to have been born or to have become legal citizens another way into a Country that could provide the majority of it's citizenry a comfortable lifestyle if they were willing to work for it. It's not a pretty truth but it is our truth...we just got lucky. I believe one day we will see what your idealism shows you to be "right", but it's something that will be a long time in coming, so many things have to be made right first.

Alrighty then. Here's my two cents.
I'am in northern Wisconsin and seems like the Hmongs are taking over here !! My problem with them is they can just come into this country and are handed EVERYTHING while 'our own' have to do without and very very few can speak OR understand English for that matter.
Here is a prime example: A friend of mine is a single mother of 3 kids. A few months back she had to apply for heating assistance due to falling on hard times. She was told that her income was $2.00 over the income limit and therefore, could not get any help. I mean, my god, a measly $2.00!!! And mind you, she was born and raised here in the US.
She said that there were MANY Hmongs and other immigrants (most had to have interperters) that were being handed everything. From vouchers for different things to being them getting housing assistance. Now you tell me, how the hell is that fair!!!!
As I stated above, they are being handed EVERYTHING while our own have to do without. Gimme a break  >:((
And YES, they should ALL know (or learn) b4 they even come here to speak English, especially when working with the public.

I'm in Iowa, so it's kind of similar here where you're at, Tamara. If you don't remember from the news a couple years ago, we had illegal immigrants coming into our state in a freight train and like 20 of them died inside the train because they lacked food and water. I'm like two-sided on this whole matter. If you're an illegal immigrant, I think you should be shipped back to your country. But if you aren't, I could careless if you speak the accepted language here or not. I don't see many people who don't speak English getting highly paid corporate positions, so what does it matter if they don't speak English? Most of the Mexicans here work labor intensiveness positions and hardly get paid... they deserve it, but still why should we force them to learn our language? That'll give the immigrants more opportunities to steal American's jobs for American-born people.

My daughter is a special ed teacher. Works with mentally handicapped children. When she was teaching on the elementary school level a few years ago She had a student from Mexico and did not understand any English. Hand sings that they use were useless. His parents did not speak English. When she had to have meetings with the parents the school board had to send someone that spoke Spanish to translate. She had some paperwork for the Mother to sign the translater couldn't be there. She was told to just get the signature. My daughter did not think it was right to have her sign the papers without understanding what she was signing. just so happens one of the food services workers spoke Spanish so she got her to translate.  If you want to live and work here learn English being bi-lingual will be a great asset. My neighbor is from France and her children speak English and French. She speaks English unless she gets mad then the French flows

Censored.

As long as they speak English in business matters, and are legal, they are fine with me.

Quote from: Mr. Scandalous on June 27, 2006, 03:55:26 AM
I'm in Iowa, so it's kind of similar here where you're at...

I am in Iowa too - small world!  West side of the state!


I too think that English should be required.

i just find it funny when i see people yelling in spanish and the ones theyre yelling at have no clue wtf theyre saying.  :-X  :))

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Quote from: foxx on June 27, 2006, 09:03:44 AM
Word to that Blu. 

And you are welcome...I will run your campaign, man.

:*** Blu in '08

:> Lib in '16

Are you talking to yourself?   :-\

No, his post was deleted. 

I frankly don't care if I sound ignorant or not.  My point is that it's not fair to all the legal immigrants that are here, have learned English and are working to contribute to the community.  Its not fair to them, much less fair to the rest of us, that just because they are here illegally they have everything handed to them on a silver platter.  

It frankly pisses me off to see people struggling every day that were either born citizens are became citizens legally-and they can't get assistance because they make 2 dollars to much.  Trust me, whoever made the comment about heating assistance and 2 dollars over statement, you will not believe how often that happens to people across America.

A very similar situation is currently happening to me as well as several other people we know.  Yet the people that are here illegal are being handed vouchers for everything.  And they have the galls to stand there and stare at you like a deer in the headlights because they don't speak English.

So call me ignorant sounding all you want.  I've stood on both sides of the track.  Yes I KNOW that illegal immigrants do a lot of work for this country.  I know our economy would go to hell if we kicked them all out.  But screw it.  Kick em all out, send em all back.  I don't care how much the biatch.  It's not fair to the rest of us legal Americans.

Another post deleted? wow

Quote from: BluRaven on June 27, 2006, 09:31:57 AM
Another post deleted? wow

If you want to keep calling people names yes. I will pull every post. I sometimes do not get to everything in the forum. There is a feature called report to moderator. All someone had to do was report the post for having that kind of content.

Is that what was done? No. You just want to call people names and compound the problem.

wow blue, you must have pissed somebody off. Rarely does someone respond to me anymore so I must have.

Well I think we need to remove the poem from the statue of liberty ..Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses....I think that would be a good start  :))

I try not to use the report feature too often.  But you can bet your sweet butt I will now.  I will just stop voicing my opinion and instead, hit report.   


*Edited because I tried to respond to Blu...should have known he'd be censored.

Quote from: foxx on June 27, 2006, 09:54:39 AM
Looks that way. 

I try not to use the report feature too often.  But you can bet your sweet butt I will now.  I will just stop voicing my opinion and instead, hit report.   

Sorry, sweetie, I beat you to it.   :***

Quote from: Libra on June 27, 2006, 09:57:07 AM

Quote from: foxx on June 27, 2006, 09:54:39 AM


I try not to use the report feature too often.  But you can bet your sweet butt I will now.  I will just stop voicing my opinion and instead, hit report.   

Sorry, sweetie, I beat you to it.   :***

lmao...You remind me why I love you everyday! 

Lib in '16  :>

Please lock this topic.  Please. I don't want everyone fighting.  :'(( :'((

Quote from: Homer on June 27, 2006, 09:34:27 AM

Quote from: BluRaven on June 27, 2006, 09:31:57 AM
Another post deleted? wow

If you want to keep calling people names yes. I will pull every post. I sometimes do not get to everything in the forum. There is a feature called report to moderator. All someone had to do was report the post for having that kind of content.

Is that what was done? No. You just want to call people names and compound the problem.

I did not call names.....was actually called a racist and my posts all got deleted?   :ooo  I guess learned my lesson will keep my thoughts to myself......now I will go to the corner and pout! LOL   :ll

Quote from: ArmyWife on June 27, 2006, 10:19:56 AM

Quote from: Homer on June 27, 2006, 09:34:27 AM

Quote from: BluRaven on June 27, 2006, 09:31:57 AM
Another post deleted? wow

If you want to keep calling people names yes. I will pull every post. I sometimes do not get to everything in the forum. There is a feature called report to moderator. All someone had to do was report the post for having that kind of content.

Is that what was done? No. You just want to call people names and compound the problem.

I did not call names.....was actually called a racist and my posts all got deleted?   :ooo  I guess learned my lesson will keep my thoughts to myself......now I will go to the corner and pout! LOL   :ll

First, this quote isn't directed to you.

Second, there wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the offensive signs found at the link you decided to post.

Now, it's all good....ty Homer

Quote from: BluRaven on June 27, 2006, 10:37:46 AM
Now, it's all good....ty Homer

Your welcome. Sorry about any misunderstandings. ;)

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Quote from: Homer on June 27, 2006, 09:34:27 AM


I did not call names.....was actually called a racist and my posts all got deleted?   :ooo  I guess learned my lesson will keep my thoughts to myself......now I will go to the corner and pout! LOL   :ll

First, this quote isn't directed to you.

Second, there wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the offensive signs found at the link you decided to post.

Thanks for the explanation - I can understand now - I was just wanting an explanation!  O0   I am fairly new to the forum and now I know what to do with the posts that are offensive.  Thanks for moderating such a great forum!

Quote from: ArmyWife on June 27, 2006, 07:18:33 AM

Quote from: Mr. Scandalous on June 27, 2006, 03:55:26 AM
I'm in Iowa, so it's kind of similar here where you're at...

I am in Iowa too - small world!  West side of the state!


I too think that English should be required.

Cool! I'm in FD, so you have to be somewhere around me then, hee!

Quote from: bubblegum on June 27, 2006, 09:35:17 AM
wow blue, you must have pissed somebody off. Rarely does someone respond to me anymore so I must have.

I think I must've too because I always feel like I'm being ignored on here. *sigh*  :-\

Quote from: Mr. Scandalous on June 27, 2006, 03:05:04 PM


I think I must've too because I always feel like I'm being ignored on here. *sigh*  :-\

Did anybody hear that?   >>:D

Lmao...just kidding! If you want to not be ignored...go to the Highjack Thread! 

why dont you just learn how to speak australian   lol  i know 2 in here  that would be happy.  ones me ,  this is a good point and topic  but i still think we all should lighten up a bit  , 
BTW don't some illegal immigrants  speak perfect english  . to me i take people  how they are not by colour of skin or where they come from     ,  theres really nice people in this world from all walks of life  <3

I would like to add that anyone getting ANY job in the US should be required to have a basic mastery of English.  I needed medical attention in the Tampa Airport this weekend, and I had to ask FOUR airport employees for directions to the first aid station before I could find anyone who could speak English.  Granted, my injury was minor and only needed an icepack, but what if someone was having a heart attack or something? 

Quote from: tponka on June 27, 2006, 07:34:51 PM
I would like to add that anyone getting ANY job in the US should be required to have a basic mastery of English.  I needed medical attention in the Tampa Airport this weekend, and I had to ask FOUR airport employees for directions to the first aid station before I could find anyone who could speak English.  Granted, my injury was minor and only needed an icepack, but what if someone was having a heart attack or something? 

So deaf mutes can't work under your idea.

Quote from: BluRaven on June 27, 2006, 08:07:36 PM

Quote from: tponka on June 27, 2006, 07:34:51 PM
I would like to add that anyone getting ANY job in the US should be required to have a basic mastery of English.  I needed medical attention in the Tampa Airport this weekend, and I had to ask FOUR airport employees for directions to the first aid station before I could find anyone who could speak English.  Granted, my injury was minor and only needed an icepack, but what if someone was having a heart attack or something? 

So deaf mutes can't work under your idea.

OMG someone takes things way too literally.  :o

Quote from: foxx on June 27, 2006, 03:26:46 PM

Quote from: Mr. Scandalous on June 27, 2006, 03:05:04 PM


I think I must've too because I always feel like I'm being ignored on here. *sigh*  :-\

Did anybody hear that?   >>:D

Lmao...just kidding! If you want to not be ignored...go to the Highjack Thread! 

Hee, well, that's how I feel sometimes on here because it seems like people read my posts, then either leave without commenting or just report.

Yes, I've noticed some of my posts have been deleted when nothing I said could've been offensive, so I don't understand why it happens. I remember saying something about Pogo Mini's and I noticed it was deleted and I think I know who reported it, tsk tsk... I honestly have nothing against those type of people and was simply stating that Pogo should consider making that type of Mini. Then I noticed my "Funny Songs" post was deleted... do you people lack a sense of humor? Do you think I'm trying to bash the person who sings that song or the group of people it speaks of as a whole? Just because this one person who reports me doesn't agree with that scene doesn't mean you need to go and isolate it from everyone else.

Yeah, this is probably the wrong topic to put it in, but I'm as clueless as Blu was.

Quote from: damian666 on June 27, 2006, 08:16:55 PM

Quote from: BluRaven on June 27, 2006, 08:07:36 PM

Quote from: tponka on June 27, 2006, 07:34:51 PM
I would like to add that anyone getting ANY job in the US should be required to have a basic mastery of English.  I needed medical attention in the Tampa Airport this weekend, and I had to ask FOUR airport employees for directions to the first aid station before I could find anyone who could speak English.  Granted, my injury was minor and only needed an icepack, but what if someone was having a heart attack or something? 

So deaf mutes can't work under your idea.

OMG someone takes things way too literally.  :o

OMG, then tell me where I may be wrong in interpreting the following: "anyone getting ANY job in the US should be required to have a basic mastery of English."

Anyone refers to any person at all. Any job refers to all jobs in our American workforce. Therefor, deaf mutes (who fall under 'anyone') would not be allowed to work "ANY job" under the idea above.

Now, had I gotten literal, I would have questioned her use of "basic mastery of English," since mastery is a possession or display of great skill or technique within a subject. I'd question the validity of English mastery due to the idea that millions of true Americans have yet to master English, as is apparent here and in everyday conversation where people do not display great skill or technique. Let's not get literal, though.

Ok I will reword slightly and clarify:  Anyone who must communicate with the public or coworkers should have a mastery of basic English.  The law protects people with handicaps against discrimination, however, that protection is valid ONLY if the handicap does not interfere with the person being able to do his or her job.  No, a deaf mute should not be hired as TSA staff in an airport, for example.

Rather than having a basic "MASTERY" of English. How about a basic UNDERSTANDING? I know when I was in Germany I in no way had a mastery of German. BUT I could order dinner. I could get directions back to the base. And I could buy anything that I wanted. OH!!! And the most important. I could find a bathroom.  :)))  All of this was possible with a few well chosen phrases and holding out a hand full of money. (for the buying stuff). I probably got ripped off something fierce when I was shopping. But I got what i wanted. And if I felt that i was being taken to much advantage of I could always shake my head, take my money, and leave. If as a young GI in a foreign country I MUST make an effort to be understood why is it not the same in America? I understand that this country is BASED on immigrants. Our language is a mish mash of MANY differrent languages now. But for the most part it's still English. Maybe the most common spoken language will be different 10 years down the road. (Mexican Spanish?). But for the last couple of hundred years it's been English. Why do we have to pay for printing voting forms is multiply languages? Why must we hire interpreters for social services? I can see needing interpreters in Courts. That is where they are needed to send illegals BACK!! As for the private sector that requires you to be bilingual to work for them?  That's THEIR choice. They are just trying to stay competitive. I'm not gonna tell anyone how to run there business as long as the meet all existing health and safety codes. I agree the to become a citizen you should have to at least be able to have a basic understanding of reading and speaking English. (How else are you gonna be able to read the road signs or find the bathroom?). Well. This is just my opinion. I could be wrong.

Quote from: clayton1966 on June 28, 2006, 07:35:35 AM
Why do we have to pay for printing voting forms is multiply languages?

So should we stop printing the braille and large print ones too?

Why must we hire interpreters for social services? I can see needing interpreters in Courts. That is where they are needed to send illegals BACK!!

Just yesterday our agency needed an interpreter for a young woman who was a mail-order bride getting a Restraining Order from her abusive husband.  She will also require an interpreter when she goes to apply for social service benefits and schooling.  Interpreters are not just there for "illegals".

Quote from: foxx on June 28, 2006, 07:46:53 AM

Quote from: clayton1966 on June 28, 2006, 07:35:35 AM
Why do we have to pay for printing voting forms is multiply languages?

So should we stop printing the braille and large print ones too?

Why must we hire interpreters for social services? I can see needing interpreters in Courts. That is where they are needed to send illegals BACK!!

Just yesterday our agency needed an interpreter for a young woman who was a mail-order bride getting a Restraining Order from her abusive husband.  She will also require an interpreter when she goes to apply for social service benefits and schooling.  Interpreters are not just there for "illegals".

Maybe after sending the "illegals" back, then we can fortify our northern (yes, those Canadians are the true threat to ous economy) and southern borders to enclose us from all other cultures. This will slowly purify our nation as a race of one!  Oh wait, that's been attempted before by Hitler.

Quote from: BluRaven on June 28, 2006, 09:56:37 AM
Maybe after sending the "illegals" back, then we can fortify our northern (yes, those Canadians are the true threat to ous economy) and southern borders to enclose us from all other cultures. This will slowly purify our nation as a race of one!  Oh wait, that's been attempted before by Hitler.

So I guess "illegals" should just be allowed to do anything they want then?

There is a process for gaining entry into this country legally. Why is it unreasonable to ask people to follow the rules?

Is it that outrageous that people should be expected to learn the English language. I think not. After all they are the ones who decided to move to a English speaking country. What's next? German? French? etc.

I think your taking things a bit to the extreme with the Hitler comment.

lmao. hitler?  :o

What I don't understand is........WHY do I have to push 1 for english?!?!? Why don;t they have to do it for Spanish.!?!? I was here first!!  ::)

Quote from: nanners on June 28, 2006, 11:00:47 AM
What I don't understand is........WHY do I have to push 1 for english?!?!? Why don;t they have to do it for Spanish.!?!? I was here first!!  ::)

They do.  1 for English, 2 for Spanish. 

Down here, it's 1 for English  2 for Spanish 3 for Creole and 4 for French.  :D

But the ones i've been getting lately is.. please press 1 for english AFTER she speaks her Spanish thing lol

I wish I could push #1 and lock this topic.   >:D

I wish I could push #2 and have my greenback friggen last friggen stupid friggen badge ever.  >:D

I wish I could push #3 and get someone to finish mowing for me. Sweat is pouring in my friggen eyes.

You wish you could push #4 and shut me up right?   :)) :))

Quote from: nanners on June 28, 2006, 11:09:04 AM
But the ones i've been getting lately is.. please press 1 for english AFTER she speaks her Spanish thing lol

LOL!  That's because she's telling the Spanish speakers to press two for Spanish, silly!



Editted to use the right English.  LMAO!

Quote from: Libra on June 28, 2006, 11:04:19 AM

Quote from: nanners on June 28, 2006, 11:00:47 AM
What I don't understand is........WHY do I have to push 1 for english?!?!? Why don;t they have to do it for Spanish.!?!? I was here first!!  ::)

They do.  1 for English, 2 for Spanish. 

Down here, it's 1 for English  2 for Spanish 3 for Creole and 4 for French.  :D

Up here it's quite common to get 1 for english, 2 for Spanish, 3 for Russian and 4 for Greek

 :pp Thats why english should be first . :pp

Quote from: nanners on June 28, 2006, 11:17:14 AM
:pp Thats why english should be first . :pp

OMG!  If it's one, just press it!  I never listen to the damn menu.  I just press zero till I get a person in India on the phone.  :))

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:pp Thats why english should be first . :pp

OMG!  If it's one, just press it!  I never listen to the damn menu.  I just press zero till I get a person in India on the phone or someone who's good at phone sex. :))

OMG!!!  ::)

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:pp Thats why english should be first . :pp

OMG!  If it's one, just press it!  I never listen to the damn menu.  I just press zero till I get a person in India on the phone or someone who's good at phone sex. :))

OMG!!!  ::)

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:pp Thats why english should be first . :pp

OMG!  If it's one, just press it!  I never listen to the damn menu.  I just press zero till I get a person in India on the phone or someone who's good at phone sex. :))

OMG!!!  ::)

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:pp Thats why english should be first . :pp

OMG!  If it's one, just press it!  I never listen to the damn menu.  I just press zero till I get a person in India on the phone or someone who's good at phone sex. :))

OMG!!!  ::)

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:pp Thats why english should be first . :pp

OMG!  If it's one, just press it!  I never listen to the damn menu.  I just press zero till I get a person in India on the phone or someone who's good at phone sex. :))

OMG!!!  ::)

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:pp Thats why english should be first . :pp

OMG!  If it's one, just press it!  I never listen to the damn menu.  I just press zero till I get a person in India on the phone or someone who's good at phone sex. :))

OMG!!!  ::)

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:pp Thats why english should be first . :pp

OMG!  If it's one, just press it!  I never listen to the damn menu.  I just press zero till I get a person in India on the phone or someone who's good at phone sex. :))

OMG!!!  ::)

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roflmao... Lib, you have a fiance, you shouldn't need the phone sex anymore.  :))

Quote from: Tara on June 28, 2006, 11:57:35 AM

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Quote from: nanners on June 28, 2006, 11:17:14 AM
:pp Thats why english should be first . :pp

OMG!  If it's one, just press it!  I never listen to the damn menu.  I just press zero till I get a person in India on the phone or someone who's good at phone sex. :))

OMG!!!  ::)

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Quote from: nanners on June 28, 2006, 11:17:14 AM
:pp Thats why english should be first . :pp

OMG!  If it's one, just press it!  I never listen to the damn menu.  I just press zero till I get a person in India on the phone.  :))

Yes'em I'll just press one till the cows come home MOOOO and I'll behave now..
back to mowing

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Quote from: Tara on June 28, 2006, 11:57:35 AM

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Quote from: Tara on June 28, 2006, 11:47:02 AM

Quote from: Libra on June 28, 2006, 11:24:04 AM

Quote from: nanners on June 28, 2006, 11:17:14 AM
:pp Thats why english should be first . :pp

OMG!  If it's one, just press it!  I never listen to the damn menu.  I just press zero till I get a person in India on the phone or someone who's good at phone sex. :))

OMG!!!  ::)

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Quote from: Tara on June 28, 2006, 11:47:02 AM

Quote from: Libra on June 28, 2006, 11:24:04 AM

Quote from: nanners on June 28, 2006, 11:17:14 AM
:pp Thats why english should be first . :pp

OMG!  If it's one, just press it!  I never listen to the damn menu.  I just press zero till I get a person in India on the phone or someone who's good at phone sex. :))

OMG!!!  ::)

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I don't see what's wrong with asking people to speak English. It's the official language. You want to live here, learn it.  :**
I want to live in Japan; guess what, I'm learning Japanese.

some are just to damn lazy to learn.