I have a question for all you who play Hearts, I am not very good at card games and just play basic Hearts. I understand that to Shoot The Moon you have take all the Hearts and Queen of Spades. Exactly what kind of strategy is used for this? In the options there is nothing about Shooting the Moon, only Shoot the Sun, whatever that is. Please explain to a very confused and stupid card player :((
Quote from: arniebear on January 22, 2009, 08:17:36 AM
I have a question for all you who play Hearts, I am not very good at card games and just play basic Hearts. I understand that to Shoot The Moon you have take all the Hearts and Queen of Spades. Exactly what kind of strategy is used for this? In the options there is nothing about Shooting the Moon, only Shoot the Sun, whatever that is. Please explain to a very confused and stupid card player :((
For one thing, most players, unless they KNOW you're trying to shoot the moon, will gladly pass the Q of spades to you, because the idea in this game is to have the fewest points and that one is worth 13. Each heart is worth 1. So, when you're planning your hand you want to keep high cards to play that will take the trick, for example the AKQ of spades will take the queen, so keep those in your hand. Hanging onto other high cards such as hearts, will enable you to play those first and take the tricks... for example, AKQJ played first will take whatever suit it is in, such as hearts. You can clean up the hearts this way.
I know someone else will come along and explain it much better, but at least this is a start. Good luck. I double browsed with a friend to get this one.
(OO) Thanks I guess I will get in some practice on Hearts, lol. Unfortunately it is gonna be the bots for me as none of my Pogo friends will be able to get together at the same time. 6_6.gif
Quote from: arniebear on January 22, 2009, 08:37:16 AM
(OO) Thanks I guess I will get in some practice on Hearts, lol. Unfortunately it is gonna be the bots for me as none of my Pogo friends will be able to get together at the same time. 6_6.gif
Yeah, it would be tough trying to get 4 people together. Maybe someone here will post a better solution for you! (OO)
Can't you hit "new game" if the cards you're dealt are not good enough to possibly shoot the moon? If you don't care about stats and it has a NEW GAME button, wait until the cards line up for a possible shot. If you want me to try for you, ArnieBear, let me know.
*edited to correct BAD grammar! LOL
(OO) If I get in deep doo doo, which I probably will, I will definitely take you up on the offer.
The best way to SHOOT THE MOON manually is to ASK FOR HELP from someone in the main room.
You set the table up with NO POINTS for Jack of Diamonds and ADVANCED OPTIONS only pass across.
Your partner passes you low cards (never, ever hearts) and you pass high cards/hearts. It is actually better to have lots of ONE suit in your hand, e.g. 7 diamonds, so you can play off the big ones later on against other suits.
You can take turns with your partner. Some hands cannot shoot the moon, e.g. too many hearts, too many aces and kings with no little cards to protecting until you can slough off big cards on non-suited tricks. Be honest in the main room. As for HELP shooting the moon or meet a friend and use a password protected table. CHAT with your partner and they should play BIG CARDS so you can play medium cards. For example, they play King of Diamonds so you can slough Queen of Diamonds.
The best way is to double browse, if you can. You can then ensure you know what cards your partner will play.
QuoteThe best way to SHOOT THE MOON manually is to ASK FOR HELP from someone in the main room.
You set the table up with NO POINTS for Jack of Diamonds and ADVANCED OPTIONS only pass across.
Your partner passes you low cards (never, ever hearts) and you pass high cards/hearts. It is actually better to have lots of ONE suit in your hand, e.g. 7 diamonds, so you can play off the big ones later on against other suits.
You can take turns with your partner. Some hands cannot shoot the moon, e.g. too many hearts, too many aces and kings with no little cards to protecting until you can slough off big cards on non-suited tricks. Be honest in the main room. As for HELP shooting the moon or meet a friend and use a password protected table. CHAT with your partner and they should play BIG CARDS so you can play medium cards. For example, they play King of Diamonds so you can slough Queen of Diamonds.
The best way is to double browse, if you can. You can then ensure you know what cards your partner will play.
:OO :=
girls18.gif I am already hoping that they (pogo) get enough complaints from the whiners before this challenge and change it to something easier to obtain in Hearts. I tried practicing yesterday by activating the badge from 2005 that requires to Shoot the Moon once.
It is useless to complain to Pogo they give out the same answer............if you can't do it don't, but give it a try you may get it :xx
I get the feeling I will be helping people with that badge.
Quote from: Joe C on January 22, 2009, 11:15:18 AM
I get the feeling I will be helping people with that badge.
I will take a number now :))) Just want to reserve a seat :)))
I don't know enough about this game to know whether or not I have the best cards to do this.
To say that I have to "take" the Queen of Spades does this mean that I have to lose?
Surely the darned auto can pull this one off?
To "Shoot the Moon", the player is required to capture the Queen of Spades (13 points) and all 13 Hearts (1 point each) for a total of 26 points. Depending on how the table is set up, you may have the choice to SUBTRACT 26 points from your score or add 26 points to ALL opponents scores. Miss ONE SINGLE POINT, and whatever total you capture gets ADDED to your score (bad thing in this game)
To "Shoot the Sun", the player is required to win all 13 tricks. This gives 56 points to all opponents or possibly subtract 56 points from player's total if this setting is selected on the table.
The Jack of diamonds is worth -5 points to the player that captures it ONLY IF THIS OPTION IS CHOSEN. DO NOT CHOOSE THIS OPTION.
So, to "Shoot the Moon" with a willing partner, you do what I said earlier. Set up ADVANCED OPTION "PASS ACROSS" only. Partner SHOOTING THE MOON passes three high cards/hearts and partner HELPING passes three LOWEST cards but NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER HEARTS or Queen of Spades. Is NEVER clear enough. 2 of Hearts is bad card to have when trying to shoot the moon.
I will update this later as my earlier post describes how not to take ANY hearts/tricks. Basically, you do the opposite, but I will give more details.
QuoteTo "Shoot the Moon", the player is required to capture the Queen of Spades (13 points) and all 13 Hearts (1 point each) for a total of 26 points. Depending on how the table is set up, you may have the choice to SUBTRACT 26 points from your score or add 26 points to ALL opponents scores. Miss ONE SINGLE POINT, and whatever total you capture gets ADDED to your score (bad thing in this game)
To "Shoot the Sun", the player is required to win all 13 tricks. This gives 56 points to all opponents or possibly subtract 56 points from player's total if this setting is selected on the table.
The Jack of diamonds is worth -5 points to the player that captures it ONLY IF THIS OPTION IS CHOSEN. DO NOT CHOOSE THIS OPTION.
So, to "Shoot the Moon" with a willing partner, you do what I said earlier. Set up ADVANCED OPTION "PASS ACROSS" only. Partner SHOOTING THE MOON passes three high cards/hearts and partner HELPING passes three LOWEST cards but NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER HEARTS or Queen of Spades. Is NEVER clear enough. 2 of Hearts is bad card to have when trying to shoot the moon.
I will update this later as my earlier post describes how not to take ANY hearts/tricks. Basically, you do the opposite, but I will give more details.
:= :"
If I have to capture all the hearts why would I pass the higher cards?
I play hearts and I am willing to help any of you get your shoot the moon badge. I double browse and know how to set up the hand, so it is easy for me. Those who want me to help...send me a pm with your info and a reminder a couple of days before the challenge comes up...ok. I have no clue when this challenge is coming up.
But not to fear Sassy is here. :-*
Quote from: FreecellFanny on January 22, 2009, 02:25:51 PM
If I have to capture all the hearts why would I pass the higher cards?
I said to keep them.
I know you did Stinky but I was referring to what Joe said:
QuoteYour partner passes you low cards (never, ever hearts) and you pass high cards/hearts. It is actually better to have lots of ONE suit in your hand, e.g. 7 diamonds, so you can play off the big ones later on against other suits.
This is why I'm confused...you said to keep them and he says to pass them... :=
Just double browse the game or stand and sit until you get a good hand. :^*
You don't want to pass your high hearts. You want at least the first 4 or 5 hearts so you can take control of the game. If you don't have at least the highest 4, just stand up and sit back and down until you do get it. Someone (bots) will give you the Q of spades if you don't already have it. It's not that hard to get.
Maybe there is hope after all, this challenge comes up 2/11
Quote from: ~Sassy~ on January 22, 2009, 02:41:04 PM
I play hearts and I am willing to help any of you get your shoot the moon badge. I double browse and know how to set up the hand, so it is easy for me. Those who want me to help...send me a pm with your info and a reminder a couple of days before the challenge comes up...ok. I have no clue when this challenge is coming up.
But not to fear Sassy is here. :-*
challenge is the week of the 02/11 to 02/17 := Sassy is it to early to request your :OO This one has me in a := and I know I am going to girls18.gif Tried for the one in the 2005 album yesterday but finally changed it to another
Quote from: catfancie on January 22, 2009, 03:12:17 PM
challenge is the week of the 02/11 to 02/17 := Sassy is it to early to request your :OO This one has me in a := and I know I am going to girls18.gif Tried for the one in the 2005 album yesterday but finally changed it to another
Cat,
Just remind me ok and send me your info. I can get the other one for your 2005 album at the same time...ok?
Sassy
Quote from: FreecellFanny on January 22, 2009, 02:51:17 PM
I know you did Stinky but I was referring to what Joe said:
This is why I'm confused...you said to keep them and he says to pass them... :=
You have to keep the high cards so you can take the trick. If you give them away then you have nothing to take the needed cards with. Unless I'm wrong and the idea is to NOT take them, but I believe the idea is to take them all.
No, I checked, you want to take them all so you MUST keep the high cards.
Here's an article on it:
http://www.ehow.com/how_2271004_shoot-moon-hearts.html?ref=fuel&utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=ssp&utm_campaign=yssp_art (http://www.ehow.com/how_2271004_shoot-moon-hearts.html?ref=fuel&utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=ssp&utm_campaign=yssp_art)
Quote from: Stinkerbell on January 22, 2009, 03:50:05 PM
You have to keep the high cards so you can take the trick. If you give them away then you have nothing to take the needed cards with. Unless I'm wrong and the idea is to NOT take them, but I believe the idea is to take them all.
Duh :-[ ...I just said that 3 posts up. :%#
Quote from: Tara on January 22, 2009, 04:17:02 PM
Duh :-[ ...I just said that 3 posts up. :%#
And I said it before that so :{: Then someone else came along and said you have to pass them, so I was just trying to explain to Fanny why you need to keep them. (OO)
Quote from: ~Sassy~ on January 22, 2009, 03:49:19 PM
Cat,
Just remind me ok and send me your info. I can get the other one for your 2005 album at the same time...ok?
Sassy
Your going to be very busy my friend. Add me to your list :-* That one is the worst yet :xx Love you Sassy (OO)
Quote from: jarjar on January 22, 2009, 05:40:03 PM
Your going to be very busy my friend. Add me to your list :-* That one is the worst yet :xx Love you Sassy (OO)
Just pm me Sue...k. :-*
Quote from: ~Sassy~ on January 22, 2009, 05:47:33 PM
Just pm me Sue...k. :-*
Thanks sweet friend. I will do when the time is near (OO)
Quote from: ~Sassy~ on January 22, 2009, 05:47:33 PM
Just pm me Sue...k. :-*
You'll be hearing from me too. For me and my daughters account. :)))
Thanks Stinky and Tara! (OO)
Well I'll gratefully accept anyones help if they are willing.......this is one of Pogo's crap badges that aggravates everybody. :((
I will make myself available to help.
Sorry I have not put instructions here yet on how to double-browse or work with a partner to shoot the moon frequently.
The short version is this. Set up a table with ADVANCED OPTIONS "Pass Across" selected and NO OTHER selections.
Make sure that the "Jack Of Diamonds is worth -5 points" is not selected.
Make sure you choose "Hearts cannot be broken on first trick"
Make sure you choose "Hearts cannot be lead until they are broken"
Make sure you choose "2 of Clubs lead off"
You and partner sit across from each other.
SHOOT THE MOON means capture ALL 26 points available in the hand. A hand is made of 13 tricks. Winning all 13 tricks is called SHOOT THE SUN, but this is not required for any badges yet. The 26 points are comprised of: 13 points for the Queen of Spades, and one point for each Heart. The QUEEN OF SPADES is considered a HEART for points, but not for taking a trick. Be advised that HEARTS are not trump for any trick. The suit that is led is the TRUMP for that trick. Playing other suits (when void of the lead suit) is called sloughing or dumping.
The way to shoot the moon is the same either with double-browsing or with a partner. With a partner, you will have to chat prior to passing, to coordinate your actions.
SHOOT THE MOON means capture ALL 26 points available in the hand. A hand is made of 13 tricks. Winning all 13 tricks is called SHOOT THE SUN, but this is not required for any badges yet.
Basic philosophy of shooting the moon.
You do not need to have any HEARTS in your hand to shoot the moon. (You just need to win every trick with points)
The Pogo Bots try VERY VERY hard to prevent ANY player from shooting the moon. They accomplish this by saving ONE heart to play on a trick someone else is going to win once Hearts are broken.
Little hearts (2-10) will almost always prevent you from shooting the moon if they are in your hand.
You will need a lot of "boss" cards to shoot the moon. A-K-Q-J in order.
The best hands to shoot the moon are UNBALANCED. This means you have a lot more one suit, such as seven total diamonds.
The goal is to get to a point where no one else can take a trick other than you BEFORE someone else wins a trick with a HEART in it.
Pass low hearts and other low cards.
Hearts is where the POGO BOTS try their hardest to stop you. A-K-J Hearts looks like a great hand to use, but in reality, if one of the POGO BOTS has the Q Hearts and 2 other Hearts, YOU WILL NOT SHOOT THE MOON. The bots will stop you.
How your partner plays after the pass is just as important as passing you cards. Basically, you need to get rid of those cards that will not win tricks.
If you have a low card (other than Hearts, which probably stops you), you need to play it one the FIRST trick of that suit.
Hopefully, your partner will take the tricks where you dump your low cards and then lead in the suit that allows you to win the game and shoot the moon.
HOLDING the Queen of SPADES (you or partner) is very desirable, too.
I can shoot the moon about once every four hands when double-browsing. Some hands are just impossible, even when you "control" two of the four players.
Here is an example (C = Clubs, D = Diamonds, H = Hearts and S = Spades)
Pre-pass
You (trying to shoot the moon)
C - 2,4,5,Q,K
D - 10,Q,A
S - 2,K,A
H - 3,K
Partner
C- 7,J,A
D- 2,3,6,7,K
S - 3,10,Q
H - 8,A
So, you would pass 3H, 4C and 5C or 3H, 4C and 2S.
Your partner would pass AH, QS and AC.
After passing, you have the following problems:
You are holding 2C, which means you lead the first trick. One less chance to get rid of low clubs.
you have either 5C or 2S, which are low cards
Partner holds KD, which could stop you.
So, you play 2C to start, you partner WINS trick with JC.
Partner lead 10S (if you kept 2S) or 7C (if you kept 5C, which is the riskier choice, since 7C may not win trick)
Partner leads KD, which you take with AD.
You are now in the lead and NO ONE can take any tricks from you. This means, you get all the hearts including the Queen of Spades.
Congratulations, you shot the moon.
With practice, you, too, can shoot it 1 out of 4 hands.
Joe,
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Quote from: Stinkerbell on January 23, 2009, 01:50:23 PM
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Quote from: Joe C on January 23, 2009, 02:01:50 PM
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Quote from: Joe C on January 23, 2009, 12:56:12 PM
I will make myself available to help.
Sorry I have not put instructions here yet on how to double-browse or work with a partner to shoot the moon frequently.
The short version is this. Set up a table with ADVANCED OPTIONS "Pass Across" selected and NO OTHER selections.
Make sure that the "Jack Of Diamonds is worth -5 points" is not selected.
Make sure you choose "Hearts cannot be broken on first trick"
Make sure you choose "Hearts cannot be lead until they are broken"
Make sure you choose "2 of Clubs lead off"
You and partner sit across from each other.
SHOOT THE MOON means capture ALL 26 points available in the hand. A hand is made of 13 tricks. Winning all 13 tricks is called SHOOT THE SUN, but this is not required for any badges yet. The 26 points are comprised of: 13 points for the Queen of Spades, and one point for each Heart. The QUEEN OF SPADES is considered a HEART for points, but not for taking a trick. Be advised that HEARTS are not trump for any trick. The suit that is led is the TRUMP for that trick. Playing other suits (when void of the lead suit) is called sloughing or dumping.
The way to shoot the moon is the same either with double-browsing or with a partner. With a partner, you will have to chat prior to passing, to coordinate your actions.
SHOOT THE MOON means capture ALL 26 points available in the hand. A hand is made of 13 tricks. Winning all 13 tricks is called SHOOT THE SUN, but this is not required for any badges yet.
Basic philosophy of shooting the moon.
You do not need to have any HEARTS in your hand to shoot the moon. (You just need to win every trick with points)
The Pogo Bots try VERY VERY hard to prevent ANY player from shooting the moon. They accomplish this by saving ONE heart to play on a trick someone else is going to win once Hearts are broken.
Little hearts (2-10) will almost always prevent you from shooting the moon if they are in your hand.
You will need a lot of "boss" cards to shoot the moon. A-K-Q-J in order.
The best hands to shoot the moon are UNBALANCED. This means you have a lot more one suit, such as seven total diamonds.
The goal is to get to a point where no one else can take a trick other than you BEFORE someone else wins a trick with a HEART in it.
Pass low hearts and other low cards.
Hearts is where the POGO BOTS try their hardest to stop you. A-K-J Hearts looks like a great hand to use, but in reality, if one of the POGO BOTS has the Q Hearts and 2 other Hearts, YOU WILL NOT SHOOT THE MOON. The bots will stop you.
How your partner plays after the pass is just as important as passing you cards. Basically, you need to get rid of those cards that will not win tricks.
If you have a low card (other than Hearts, which probably stops you), you need to play it one the FIRST trick of that suit.
Hopefully, your partner will take the tricks where you dump your low cards and then lead in the suit that allows you to win the game and shoot the moon.
HOLDING the Queen of SPADES (you or partner) is very desirable, too.
I can shoot the moon about once every four hands when double-browsing. Some hands are just impossible, even when you "control" two of the four players.
Here is an example (C = Clubs, D = Diamonds, H = Hearts and S = Spades)
Pre-pass
You (trying to shoot the moon)
C - 2,4,5,Q,K
D - 10,Q,A
S - 2,K,A
H - 3,K
Partner
C- 7,J,A
D- 2,3,6,7,K
S - 3,10,Q
H - 8,A
So, you would pass 3H, 4C and 5C or 3H, 4C and 2S.
Your partner would pass AH, QS and AC.
After passing, you have the following problems:
You are holding 2C, which means you lead the first trick. One less chance to get rid of low clubs.
you have either 5C or 2S, which are low cards
Partner holds KD, which could stop you.
So, you play 2C to start, you partner WINS trick with JC.
Partner lead 10S (if you kept 2S) or 7C (if you kept 5C, which is the riskier choice, since 7C may not win trick)
Partner leads KD, which you take with AD.
You are now in the lead and NO ONE can take any tricks from you. This means, you get all the hearts including the Queen of Spades.
Congratulations, you shot the moon.
With practice, you, too, can shoot it 1 out of 4 hands.
Good gawd, you can have the badge before you get done reading this novel. :P
Quote from: Tara on January 23, 2009, 04:29:37 PM
Good gawd, you can have the badge before you get done reading this novel. :P
Thanks, I will be here the whole week
:-\
Quote from: Tara on January 23, 2009, 04:29:37 PM
Good gawd, you can have the badge before you get done reading this novel. :P
Tara everyday of my life here you put a smile on my face (OO) And a giggle too :)))
Quote from: jarjar on January 23, 2009, 07:07:19 PM
Tara everyday of my life here you put a smile on my face (OO) And a giggle too :)))
:))) (OO)
Quote from: Joe C on January 23, 2009, 05:48:27 PM
Thanks, I will be here the whole week
:-\ Does that mean you'll have time to read it? :)))
Quote from: Tara on January 23, 2009, 09:40:57 PM
:))) (OO)
:-\ Does that mean you'll have time to read it? :)))
O+O O+O O+O O+O
Reading is FUN-damental
Pogo must have heard whines, it you will now only have to do it 2x instead of the original 4x. Things are looking up for me I now only gethalf the misery <..>
Quote from: arniebear on January 24, 2009, 05:23:40 AM
Pogo must have heard whines, it you will now only have to do it 2x instead of the original 4x. Things are looking up for me I now only gethalf the misery <..>
I guess I should cut my previous post in half so Tara has less she has to read.
:))) :))) :)))
Quote from: Joe C on January 24, 2009, 07:09:44 AM
I guess I should cut my previous post in half so Tara has less she has to read.
:))) :))) :)))
:%# I don't have to read your novel (although it was nice of you to post it for others) I know how to get the badge. :P
Now watch me not be able to get it. :)))
Quote from: Tara on January 24, 2009, 08:11:41 AM
:%# I don't have to read your novel (although it was nice of you to post it for others) I know how to get the badge. :P
Now watch me not be able to get it. :)))
I am sure you will get it. You could always ask for help. camera.gif
This is one type of challenge that Uncle Otto is poorly suited to get, just from the nature of the Pogo Bots. Much easier to double-browse or find a partner.
:^*
Quote from: Joe C on January 24, 2009, 08:16:55 AM
I am sure you will get it. You could always ask for help. camera.gif
This is one type of challenge that Uncle Otto is poorly suited to get, just from the nature of the Pogo Bots. Much easier to double-browse or find a partner.
:^*
Honestly, its much easier to do it yourself. Just stand and sit until you get a good hand. Make sure in your options you say you can lead with hearts. Throw that A of hearts then the K then the Q and by the time you get to the J you should have control of the game and have the badge.
QuoteHonestly, its much easier to do it yourself. Just stand and sit until you get a good hand. Make sure in your options you say you can lead with hearts. Throw that A of hearts then the K then the Q and by the time you get to the J you should have control of the game and have the badge.
:^*