It has been apparent for many months now that they have a texas holdem cheat that allows the user to manipulate cards to thier advantage in one way or another. I have been observing though and my tip for you, "the non-poker cheaters." On the flop..if your cards or the the flop blinks for even just a split second, i am willing to guarantee that someone at that table has or is using a cheat.Speak up and raise the suspicion, you might see a change of winners real quick whether it be you or another non-cheater. Now i cant say i am totlaly against cheating, cause i have made use of some of the autos in here. BUT they are games that are not one on one and give you no fair advantage to take away some other users tokens. Poker is Poker, keep the cheats out please. I remember when pogo used to be a fun pace to go and play games, all i want is to see that back, stand up and speak out.
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and by the way, the auto for texas holdem here is no cheat, it is just an auto that will play your hand for you. I just wanted to state that so the admin doesnt imply that i said pogocheats.net is an unfair advantage for one on one games in pogo.
So the computers cheat?
Because I never play with people, and I've had that third card blink quite a few times :)
I have heard rumours about some mythical poker cheat that allows one to see one's opponents' cards, and I have heard the rumours that the cheat makes the game lag at points.
I think it's all a myth. All the games lag. For anyone who is interested in learning why such rumours come about, I suggest Thomas Gilovich's How We Know What Isn't So (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0029117062/ref=cm_rev_sort/104-1418921-0999903?customer-reviews.sort_by=-HelpfulVotes).
I would oppose and condemn any such cheat, and I am certain Pogo would harden their security if one existed.
In fact, I am willing to go out on a limb and state I know no such cheat exists. If one did exist, somebody would have sent me a link to it or a copy of it just to rub my nose in it. And nobody has done that yet.
i suppose if there is a will there is a way.. i overheard someone chatting about editing files and such.. which of course i dont know how to do myself.. but i suppose if someone was really good at doing that they could change values so that they can see the cards.. but as for a glitch that does it no i dont think thats its possiable.
and before someone goes off on my ass saying that i edit files i dont .. im just saying ive heard of people doing it..and i dont know how so please dont ask ty.
i have also heard someone talkinf about it but to me it is a hack not a glitch
QuoteI would oppose and condemn any such cheat, and I am certain Pogo would harden their security if one existed.
In fact, I am willing to go out on a limb and state I know no such cheat exists. If one did exist, somebody would have sent me a link to it or a copy of it just to rub my nose in it. And nobody has done that yet.
I would like to reiterate what Bob said. It is extremely unlikely that this program, being as widespread as implied in the first post in this topic, has not been seen by myself or anyone else that I know of. Adding to that the technical and security issues with a program like the one that has been described here, it is safe to say that no such programs exist.
I would think twice before accusing someone of using any Texas Hold 'em Poker hacking tool.
Myth or not and i didnt want to start the rumours flying, but i been in the computer field for quite some years now, so to say that the possibilty is there, yes its there. But for some reason,last night for instance..i sat there before sitting and saw some gal win like 10 out of 30 hands..miracualous hands might i say and i actually saw them..now mind you, she had 13 million tokens. So i sat and gave it a try knowing she is going to have to fold to throw her winning percentage down, so she kept winning...tha i said exactly.."why wouldnt she have the full house again, she has 13 million." than i started talking about cheating and than ALLLLL of a sudden , she never won a hand again and the flop blink stopped..coincidence...you can say so , but i know better...cause this has happened on more than 7 occasions. And to say this, if someone is THAT good in poker to get THAT many great hands, i know i would not be sitting in pogo playing with fake money that does you no good in the real world, i would be in the casino.
Your anecdote proves nothing. See my reference to Gilovich. You are ascribing meaning to random events when no such meaning exists. And yes, coincidence does happen.
People have been coming into chat for months asking about a cheat that sees other people's cards. No such cheat exists. Believe me, if one existed, somebody would have thrown it in my face long ago. For some strange reason, folks seem to like to do that to me. lol
Quote from: jessejrandsandy on December 31, 2004, 10:29:35 AM
Myth or not and i didnt want to start the rumours flying, but i been in the computer field for quite some years now, so to say that the possibilty is there, yes its there. But for some reason,last night for instance..i sat there before sitting and saw some gal win like 10 out of 30 hands..miracualous hands might i say and i actually saw them..now mind you, she had 13 million tokens. So i sat and gave it a try knowing she is going to have to fold to throw her winning percentage down, so she kept winning...tha i said exactly.."why wouldnt she have the full house again, she has 13 million." than i started talking about cheating and than ALLLLL of a sudden , she never won a hand again and the flop blink stopped..coincidence...you can say so , but i know better...cause this has happened on more than 7 occasions. And to say this, if someone is THAT good in poker to get THAT many great hands, i know i would not be sitting in pogo playing with fake money that does you no good in the real world, i would be in the casino.
I don't think that it is right to accuse someone of using a program that for all you know doesn't even exist. What if someone accused you of using such a program?
and to say, i never accused anyone i only implied generaly to all and was general chat, but to say that just because some dont have it does not mean it doesnt exist.If i said i know someone has a Pentium 5 computer does that say it doesnt exist because you dont have one.
Whatever
I work in a casino and I can assure you that I hear this stuff all the time.
Random odds are a very peculiar thing. Here's the way I explain it...
Take a coin. Any Coin. Flip it 100 times.
See any problem with it? Is the coin fixed?
Now pretend you're betting $50 on Heads. Every time.
Flip the same coin 100 times again. Notice some odd patterns with Heads vs Tails now don't you??
Nothing happened to the coin. But now that you have a personal interest in the outcome you are much more perceptive to the occasional fluctuations in the random patterns. In most cases these things are just you noticing patterns that negatively impact you more than those that don't...
Jeffer:)
Thanks I've never worked at a Casino but I do know what you are talking about:) When you have money/tokens on the line it the losing streak that might be normal seems out of the ordinary and things come into pass did you win and then continue to play. I never followed the advice of my mother and grandmother which was whatever you win stick in a different pocket and don't touch it no matter what. Same goes for any game fake or real money. I do think in new computerized games the odds are stacked a little better to the house than flipping a coin, but your explaination was perfect.
Thanks for helping me understand my losing streak better:)
Quote from: touitsjesse on December 31, 2004, 10:29:35 AM
Myth or not and i didnt want to start the rumours flying, but i been in the computer field for quite some years now, so to say that the possibilty is there, yes its there. But for some reason,last night for instance..i sat there before sitting and saw some gal win like 10 out of 30 hands..miracualous hands might i say and i actually saw them..now mind you, she had 13 million tokens. So i sat and gave it a try knowing she is going to have to fold to throw her winning percentage down, so she kept winning...tha i said exactly.."why wouldnt she have the full house again, she has 13 million." than i started talking about cheating and than ALLLLL of a sudden , she never won a hand again and the flop blink stopped..coincidence...you can say so , but i know better...cause this has happened on more than 7 occasions. And to say this, if someone is THAT good in poker to get THAT many great hands, i know i would not be sitting in pogo playing with fake money that does you no good in the real world, i would be in the casino.
Just because you suck at cards doesn't mean everyone does. I've cleaned out quite a few accounts of tokens play Hold'em. The part I love the most is when they start crying :'( and demanding I give their precious tokens back, sorry if you can't afford to lose then don't bet.
You got to know when to hold'em, when to fold'em, when to turn and walk away.
The best advice I could give you is bet
your hand not everyone else's and pretty soon you will start winning!! O0
Quote from: BadgeHelpBob on December 31, 2004, 08:07:46 AM
In fact, I am willing to go out on a limb and state I know no such cheat exists. If one did exist, somebody would have sent me a link to it or a copy of it just to rub my nose in it. And nobody has done that yet.
How true Bob, if there was such a thing out there it would be plastered on every Pogo board and newsgroup out there and Pogo would have pulled the game by now because nobody would be playing it.
I believe that some people just aren't good card players plain and simple and can't face the reality of it. The see all these players on TV win big hands all the time and they expect to do the same on Pogo and when they can't they get mad accuse everyone else of cheating.
I agree with both you I stink at Poker very rarely do I win big although I do know it's possible. I don't use the autos for that unless it's against the bots. I'm just horrible at that game and know it. There are a few players that look suspicious and have heard people complaining about cheaters. But they've said that when I entered a room and started playing and I know what I do or don't use and I don't use java hacks at all. SO some of it is just people trash talking.
Quote from: Jeffer on January 01, 2005, 01:21:16 AM
Random odds are a very peculiar thing. Here's the way I explain it...
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In most cases these things are just you noticing patterns that negatively impact you more than those that don't...
Actually, it can go both ways. As Gilovich explains in his book, once people have a bias in their perception, they notice events that confirm the bias more than events that completely invalidate the bias. At the casino, I am sure you have seen plenty of people who thought they had valid 'systems' for playing slot machines leave the casino penniless. These are cases where people noticed patterns that 'positively' affected them while ignoring the contradicting evidence to their own downfall.
Quote from: El Barto on January 01, 2005, 03:12:34 AM
I believe that some people just aren't good card players plain and simple and can't face the reality of it.
I don't think it is necessary to make a distinction between good and bad card players. That will just personalize the issue and make some people more entrenched in their prejudices.
Good card players are as susceptible or perhaps even more susceptible to these selection biases as anyone else. There is only so much a good card player can do with lousy cards, and I think the resulting frustration can encourage a good card player to blame the wrong factor. ie. cheating vs. randomness
This just in from Pogo,
I wrote pogo too ask them about this and was their reply,
Collusion happens between two or more players. It can be defined as a strategy intended to take an undue advantage over the other players at the table. We have developed a "Collusion Prevention System" to detect such players and ban them from the site. The sophisticated systems are developed on a high level technological platform and work based on a combined set of algorithms, permutations and combinations. We have further modified our systems to filter the players who collude and identify them so that appropriate action can be taken against them.
Hmmm... Wouldn't it detect token dumping as well? While they don't say so, an algorithim that detects collusion should detect this also. :-\
Don't pretend to be an expert in programming and just thinking out loud. What do you all think?
I never pretend to be an expert. There is always something to be learned. ;)
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This just in from Pogo,
I wrote pogo too ask them about this and was their reply,
Collusion happens between two or more players. It can be defined as a strategy intended to take an undue advantage over the other players at the table. We have developed a "Collusion Prevention System" to detect such players and ban them from the site. The sophisticated systems are developed on a high level technological platform and work based on a combined set of algorithms, permutations and combinations. We have further modified our systems to filter the players who collude and identify them so that appropriate action can be taken against them.
the dictionary's definition of collusion is A secret agreement between two or more parties for a fraudulent, illegal, or deceitful purpose.
Now from my experiences and i dont claim to be an expert...the only way they will be able to tell if you are token dumping, they have to determine that both accounts are being used by the same person and the only way they might be able to legally detect this is if your computer is sending them electronic waves to them so they can match.And personaly, i dont think they can receive such waves, but with todays technologies, thier might be this slim and i emphasize slim chance that they can. All other ways i would say are ilegal on thier part...but this is my interpertations and claim to be no expert, but hey if theres other legal ways, i can not even imagine.
LOL -- didn't the originator of this post say they have been working with computers for several years ... then they break into this "waves" talk?
Anyhow, I cheat at Texas Holdem. I have three browsers set up on my better machine and two on my slightly weaker computer. Depending on how mean I'm feeling, I play 3 to 5 of the 6 seats in Texas Holdem. Kinda stregnthens the odds in my favor.
And P.S. -- the P5 computer doesn't exist. Not because I don't have one, but because I am educated and know so.
I agree barbara...why would someone do it, guess most of us will never know, but i was told in my first week of of college, whe i was taking my computer classes...they said why people cheat and hack...because they can. For some it may be a means of having the highest token count, for some it may be gaining tokens to try and cash in to try and win one of the drawings, but i'd say for most its just because..I often wonder why they do it, but like i said, i guess most of us will never know.
I started this post becausei knew it would spark some interest an comcern maybe others had but was afraid to bring it up because of its sensitivity. i always stood up for what i believe in and i always will. I never meant to start the rumours flying or never said names or pointed blame to anyone. I never claimed to know it all just my many years of knowledge and hands on and know how..i still have lots to learn and i neve doubt or deny that.
But as with all other forums this is place to speak your mind on YOUR opinions to see if others share the same interest or concerns. I know over the last couple of weeks, i have probably read many differant concerns on this matter and have gladly taken in every one of them. Sadly to say for some, i still beleive what i want to believe and thats what makes me differant. If we all thought the same wouldnt this be the most boring place on earth? I rest my case on this matter and wil no longer try to badger, ridicule or even try to argue with anyone on this matter any longer. We beleive what we all want to believe and i would never say your opinion is totaly wrong because i know my opinions may be totaly wrong in your eyes.
Actually there are ways of viewing other player's hands, simply create a second club pogo account and watch the other player's using that one. The easiest way to prevent it is to set up your own game and make sure that the box next to allow players to watch is unchecked, if your at a table where someone is watching hands you know who set up the table.
I have no respect for people who cheat in the head to head games.
Neither do I, thats why I play the robots, they may have ungodly luck, but atleast I'm not loosing tokens because of it.
Quote from: goody1701d on July 28, 2005, 07:52:27 AM
Actually there are ways of viewing other player's hands, simply create a second club pogo account and watch the other player's using that one. The easiest way to prevent it is to set up your own game and make sure that the box next to allow players to watch is unchecked, if your at a table where someone is watching hands you know who set up the table.
If you watch someone in poker you cant see there cards, they are blocked out.
very well said Max O0
Quote from: TexasGuy on July 28, 2005, 07:31:04 PM
If you watch someone in poker you cant see there cards, they are blocked out.
Hmmm I could have sworn it allows the watcher to see the cards, doesn't matter I guess, but makes it kind of pointless to watch.