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Posted by Libra
- August 08, 2006, 09:09:02 AMQuote from: bubblegum on August 07, 2006, 08:41:29 AM
I think it was lib who's said a time or two she just threatens to cancel AOL and they give her so many months free and she's been doing that for as long as she can remember.
Yeah, I haven't paid for AOL in years. I've never had a problem with them, but I seem to be the minority. I use it with broadband and it's speedy. I recently called and cancelled my Ma's account (to try and get it free) and they said she could keep her account with no charge. A few days later, we both got an email from them stating that DSL and cable modem users would no longer have to pay for AOL.
Posted by hades
- August 08, 2006, 07:44:47 AMlol @ hold it.
Posted by Stinkerbell
- August 07, 2006, 09:21:43 PMQuote from: Spoonz on August 06, 2006, 09:33:39 PM
AOhell is pure Evil. To cancel my account with them about 5 years ago, I told them I was getting underway for 9 months overseas and all of my belongings were going into storage. I'd appreciate it if they would close my account and when I got back to the states, I would call and open a new account.
Of course, none of that was true. I was moving from west coast to east coast, but I didn't get any lip service from them. When we got settled in VA I went with cable internet through COX. :))) :))) poo poo on you AOHELL!
I knew a young man who was leaving to go on a Mission for 2 years. They wanted to 'hold' his account til he got back. LOL
Posted by hades
- August 07, 2006, 08:26:24 PMdepends who answers the phone really.ive talked to a couple people from aol who were really helpful.but yes the rest were more then awful idiots.
Posted by PunkInDrublic
- August 07, 2006, 12:19:28 PMI signed up for AOL two years ago with the free trial just so I could download the software for a different dial up plan. When I called to cancel a week before the free trial ended, the offered me 3 months free to stay. I told them I didn't want the free time and they gave it to me anyway. Called to cancel 3 months later and they offered me another 3 free months. Tried to cancel a third time and after 40 minutes on the phone I accepted the offer of another 3 months free just to get the customer service rep to quit talking. I ended up with AOL for a year and a half for free before I finally convinced them that they were sucking the life out of me by making me call every three months and listen to how great they think their service is.
Posted by bubblegum
- August 07, 2006, 08:41:29 AMI think it was lib who's said a time or two she just threatens to cancel AOL and they give her so many months free and she's been doing that for as long as she can remember.
Posted by Julez
- August 06, 2006, 09:33:39 PMAOhell is pure Evil. To cancel my account with them about 5 years ago, I told them I was getting underway for 9 months overseas and all of my belongings were going into storage. I'd appreciate it if they would close my account and when I got back to the states, I would call and open a new account.
Of course, none of that was true. I was moving from west coast to east coast, but I didn't get any lip service from them. When we got settled in VA I went with cable internet through COX. :))) :))) poo poo on you AOHELL!
Of course, none of that was true. I was moving from west coast to east coast, but I didn't get any lip service from them. When we got settled in VA I went with cable internet through COX. :))) :))) poo poo on you AOHELL!
Posted by hades
- August 06, 2006, 07:36:26 PMlol wow.
Posted by Tara
- August 06, 2006, 06:43:21 PMQuote from: ABraveLady on August 06, 2006, 03:07:04 PMQuote from: atoro on August 06, 2006, 11:30:17 AM
so sick....i dealt with them a couple years ago and vowed never to again...around here theyre call A-O-hell.
Can you believe in all the years I've been with AOL, I've never heard it called A-O-Hell, which is the most appropriate of all possible names.
That's what I call it. :/\
Thank gawd I'm not on dial up any longer, but when I was I used Earthlink.
Posted by Stinkerbell
- August 06, 2006, 03:07:04 PMQuote from: atoro on August 06, 2006, 11:30:17 AM
so sick....i dealt with them a couple years ago and vowed never to again...around here theyre call A-O-hell.
Can you believe in all the years I've been with AOL, I've never heard it called A-O-Hell, which is the most appropriate of all possible names.
Posted by Kelly
- August 06, 2006, 02:53:32 PMo man ...me 2 dropped AOL years ago...went to DSL then moved out in the sticks and decided against going back to AOL and went with a G-3 cable connection....LOVE IT LOVE IT!!!!
Posted by Lynne
- August 06, 2006, 11:56:41 AMThat is just plain crazy. Thats why I canceled my A O Heck too lol...that was years ago like close to 6 and never looked back since.
Posted by xx_mandy_xx
- August 06, 2006, 11:30:17 AMso sick....i dealt with them a couple years ago and vowed never to again...around here theyre call A-O-hell.
Posted by bubblegum
- August 06, 2006, 11:23:06 AMEven dead people can't escape AOL
By David Sheets
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
08/04/2006
Maxine Gauthier doesn't own a computer. She doesn't know the first thing about Web browsing or sending e-mail. She's not even sure where to find a computer's "on" button, as she describes it.
Yet for the past nine months, she has been fighting one of the most persistent and some say irritating institutions in cyberspace: AOL, formerly known as America Online.
"They just haven't wanted to let go," the 55-year-old St. Louisan said. "I don't think they'll ever really let go."
Her struggle has involved about a dozen phone calls often ending with an AOL customer service representative or manager hanging up on her. She even tried impersonating someone else in a couple of the calls. The giant online service provider wouldn't budge.
The problem? An AOL account once held by Gauthier's late father still showed billing charges accumulating against it. The account had been dormant for months; the credit card he used for it was inactive at least as long.
Nevertheless, AOL kept charging $25.90 each month for dial-up online access. Late fees for non-payment accumulated on the credit card, too.
Gauthier even offered to send a copy of her father's obituary as proof he truly was dead. AOL was unmoved.
"An AOL service guy told me to stop complaining and learn to use a computer," she said. "Then he hung up."
Customer service hell
Gauthier's experience with AOL mirrors that of millions who have tried to discontinue their dial-up or other service, only to encounter stonewalling or outright verbal abuse from the company's customer service agents.
The Dulles, Va.-based company, with more than 17 million customers, was once the leading online service provider. But it has bled customers in recent years -- it lost almost 1 million customers between May and June alone -- as more people have moved away from dial-up service toward faster, more dependable broadband Internet connections.
Most of AOL's $1 billion in profits continues to come from subscriptions to dial-up service, a market it still dominates.
Another factor in AOL's decline has been the increase in free services elsewhere online, such as e-mail and ad blocking, that AOL provided at a cost. The company announced Wednesday that it was dropping many of these charges but would continue charging fees for dial-up service.
Yet, neither the Internet's transition to broadband nor the increase in Web-based freebies has damaged AOL's bottom line in recent weeks quite as much as its lamentable customer service, now a punch line on late-night television and in cyberspace.
Thank Vincent Ferrari for that.
The New York blogger and former AOL loyalist used to spend his time online exclusively at AOL's Web portal. He even met his wife there. But broadband beckoned and Ferrari's AOL usage declined to nearly zero. He decided to end the relationship.
Ferrari had heard that breaking up with AOL was difficult to do -- customer service agents allegedly employed every trick short of threats to keep people from dropping out -- so he recorded his call to customer service and posted it on his Web site.
The acrimonious result made huge news online and on television, and inspired a flood of responses. Immediately, AOL clients everywhere recounted their own bad experiences on blogs, TV and radio.
Gauthier saw all this and was inspired. She nearly had given up her own fight.
"I saw that I wasn't the only one with trouble. So, that's why I called you," she told Tech Talk.
"Shut up and listen"
When Gauthier's father, Melvin Berkowitz, died last summer, he was living in Florida and had one credit card. Its only charges were to AOL. Gauthier's mother, Marion Berkowitz, now 80, and still living in Florida, had her name on the account but never used it.
Gauthier discovered the continuing dial-up service charge as she was settling her father's estate. She first called to cancel the AOL account last November.
"They told me I didn't have the answer to his 'security question'," a query many shopping Web sites once employed to assure themselves they were talking to the account holder, "so they said 'Thank you' and hung up," Gauthier said.
She turned to the credit card company and asked that it stop accepting the charges.
"They told me they needed a letter first from AOL saying the account was inactive," Gauthier said.
Another call to AOL, which promised Gauthier it would send the letter immediately. That was in December.
"But I never heard any word," she said. "And these charges kept appearing on the credit card statement."
She kept calling AOL, trying to find out more about the letter. AOL countered by saying it never received a request to send it.
With each subsequent call, AOL became more curt with Gauthier. During one exchange, "the guy - I think it was a manager - just told me to 'shut up and listen to what I have to say or don't bother calling.'
Then he hung up on me," she said.
Gauthier even resorted to pretending she was her mother, because her mother's name also was on the credit card statement. "No luck. They just kept asking me for the answer to the security question," Gauthier said.
A nice guy named Ben
Through the spring and early summer, Gauthier made no progress. The charges -- and now, credit card late fees -- kept mounting, totaling at least $200. After Ferrari's experience with AOL became public, she pressed harder, thinking the bad publicity might loosen AOL's grip.
In June, she called again. This time, AOL insisted that her father's account had not been active since January, and AOL had not charged Melvin Berkowitz's credit card since.
The credit card statements since January, however, said otherwise.
Gauthier again called the credit card company. In early July, she received two letters from it. The first said the charges were fraudulent. The second said they weren't.
"That's when I gave up and called your Tech Talk column," she said.
We tried contacting AOL using all the customer service numbers Gauthier had used. Initially, AOL's headquarters in Virginia didn't answer our messages, so we tried the general customer service number. Within seven minutes, Tech Talk was speaking to Ben, based at an AOL customer service center in Albuquerque, N.M.
Ben, in fact, was very nice.
"A few bad apples"
"If (a customer calls) and gets an AOL rep such as myself, we have to cancel that account at their request," Ben said, explaining procedure. "We have to honor that request. So, there is no ulterior motive or agenda on us to not cancel, really.
"It changed recently where, you know, we have to cancel immediately,"
Ben continued. "We can offer them a better price; that's our job. But if they're adamant, then you cancel the account."
Gauthier had given Tech Talk her father's account information, and we in turn passed it along to Ben, who couldn't give his last name because AOL disallowed it.
"I see here that on May 28, there was a form filled out that this person was deceased. ... That account is cancelled out, right now," Ben said.
He explained that, for whatever reason, the form didn't get back to Melvin Berkowitz's file until mid-June, "so that month was our last bill. There won't be any more bills; I can assure you of that."
Not long after Tech Talk spoke to Ben, we received a call from Sarah Matin, AOL corporate communications manager, in Dulles, Va. She denied that AOL condoned hard selling among its customer service workers.
"We have a huge volume of customer service, millions of customers, so within that scale, of course, there are going to be a few bad apples," Matin said. "Obviously, we have to do much better."
Resolution, or not?
Finally, this month, Gauthier was able to cancel her father's credit card. The AOL charges, going back to last summer, were wiped away, and she was reimbursed for both the charges and late fees.
But the story apparently isn't over. It turns out that Gauthier also has an AOL account, established more than a decade ago when her two daughters were pre-teens first learning to surf the Internet. She has no idea what has become of the account; it has been dormant for years.
She never used it. She's hesitant to find out its status.
"After going through all that trouble over my father, I'm not sure I could handle that again," she said.
Plus, there's this: A few days ago, Gauthier obtained a letter from AOL that was sent to her mother in Florida. The letter was addressed to Melvin Berkowitz.
"Dear Mr. Berkowitz," it said. "We hope you'll come back to AOL."
The lesson we have learned here:
Once an AOL customer, always an AOL customer.
By David Sheets
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
08/04/2006
Maxine Gauthier doesn't own a computer. She doesn't know the first thing about Web browsing or sending e-mail. She's not even sure where to find a computer's "on" button, as she describes it.
Yet for the past nine months, she has been fighting one of the most persistent and some say irritating institutions in cyberspace: AOL, formerly known as America Online.
"They just haven't wanted to let go," the 55-year-old St. Louisan said. "I don't think they'll ever really let go."
Her struggle has involved about a dozen phone calls often ending with an AOL customer service representative or manager hanging up on her. She even tried impersonating someone else in a couple of the calls. The giant online service provider wouldn't budge.
The problem? An AOL account once held by Gauthier's late father still showed billing charges accumulating against it. The account had been dormant for months; the credit card he used for it was inactive at least as long.
Nevertheless, AOL kept charging $25.90 each month for dial-up online access. Late fees for non-payment accumulated on the credit card, too.
Gauthier even offered to send a copy of her father's obituary as proof he truly was dead. AOL was unmoved.
"An AOL service guy told me to stop complaining and learn to use a computer," she said. "Then he hung up."
Customer service hell
Gauthier's experience with AOL mirrors that of millions who have tried to discontinue their dial-up or other service, only to encounter stonewalling or outright verbal abuse from the company's customer service agents.
The Dulles, Va.-based company, with more than 17 million customers, was once the leading online service provider. But it has bled customers in recent years -- it lost almost 1 million customers between May and June alone -- as more people have moved away from dial-up service toward faster, more dependable broadband Internet connections.
Most of AOL's $1 billion in profits continues to come from subscriptions to dial-up service, a market it still dominates.
Another factor in AOL's decline has been the increase in free services elsewhere online, such as e-mail and ad blocking, that AOL provided at a cost. The company announced Wednesday that it was dropping many of these charges but would continue charging fees for dial-up service.
Yet, neither the Internet's transition to broadband nor the increase in Web-based freebies has damaged AOL's bottom line in recent weeks quite as much as its lamentable customer service, now a punch line on late-night television and in cyberspace.
Thank Vincent Ferrari for that.
The New York blogger and former AOL loyalist used to spend his time online exclusively at AOL's Web portal. He even met his wife there. But broadband beckoned and Ferrari's AOL usage declined to nearly zero. He decided to end the relationship.
Ferrari had heard that breaking up with AOL was difficult to do -- customer service agents allegedly employed every trick short of threats to keep people from dropping out -- so he recorded his call to customer service and posted it on his Web site.
The acrimonious result made huge news online and on television, and inspired a flood of responses. Immediately, AOL clients everywhere recounted their own bad experiences on blogs, TV and radio.
Gauthier saw all this and was inspired. She nearly had given up her own fight.
"I saw that I wasn't the only one with trouble. So, that's why I called you," she told Tech Talk.
"Shut up and listen"
When Gauthier's father, Melvin Berkowitz, died last summer, he was living in Florida and had one credit card. Its only charges were to AOL. Gauthier's mother, Marion Berkowitz, now 80, and still living in Florida, had her name on the account but never used it.
Gauthier discovered the continuing dial-up service charge as she was settling her father's estate. She first called to cancel the AOL account last November.
"They told me I didn't have the answer to his 'security question'," a query many shopping Web sites once employed to assure themselves they were talking to the account holder, "so they said 'Thank you' and hung up," Gauthier said.
She turned to the credit card company and asked that it stop accepting the charges.
"They told me they needed a letter first from AOL saying the account was inactive," Gauthier said.
Another call to AOL, which promised Gauthier it would send the letter immediately. That was in December.
"But I never heard any word," she said. "And these charges kept appearing on the credit card statement."
She kept calling AOL, trying to find out more about the letter. AOL countered by saying it never received a request to send it.
With each subsequent call, AOL became more curt with Gauthier. During one exchange, "the guy - I think it was a manager - just told me to 'shut up and listen to what I have to say or don't bother calling.'
Then he hung up on me," she said.
Gauthier even resorted to pretending she was her mother, because her mother's name also was on the credit card statement. "No luck. They just kept asking me for the answer to the security question," Gauthier said.
A nice guy named Ben
Through the spring and early summer, Gauthier made no progress. The charges -- and now, credit card late fees -- kept mounting, totaling at least $200. After Ferrari's experience with AOL became public, she pressed harder, thinking the bad publicity might loosen AOL's grip.
In June, she called again. This time, AOL insisted that her father's account had not been active since January, and AOL had not charged Melvin Berkowitz's credit card since.
The credit card statements since January, however, said otherwise.
Gauthier again called the credit card company. In early July, she received two letters from it. The first said the charges were fraudulent. The second said they weren't.
"That's when I gave up and called your Tech Talk column," she said.
We tried contacting AOL using all the customer service numbers Gauthier had used. Initially, AOL's headquarters in Virginia didn't answer our messages, so we tried the general customer service number. Within seven minutes, Tech Talk was speaking to Ben, based at an AOL customer service center in Albuquerque, N.M.
Ben, in fact, was very nice.
"A few bad apples"
"If (a customer calls) and gets an AOL rep such as myself, we have to cancel that account at their request," Ben said, explaining procedure. "We have to honor that request. So, there is no ulterior motive or agenda on us to not cancel, really.
"It changed recently where, you know, we have to cancel immediately,"
Ben continued. "We can offer them a better price; that's our job. But if they're adamant, then you cancel the account."
Gauthier had given Tech Talk her father's account information, and we in turn passed it along to Ben, who couldn't give his last name because AOL disallowed it.
"I see here that on May 28, there was a form filled out that this person was deceased. ... That account is cancelled out, right now," Ben said.
He explained that, for whatever reason, the form didn't get back to Melvin Berkowitz's file until mid-June, "so that month was our last bill. There won't be any more bills; I can assure you of that."
Not long after Tech Talk spoke to Ben, we received a call from Sarah Matin, AOL corporate communications manager, in Dulles, Va. She denied that AOL condoned hard selling among its customer service workers.
"We have a huge volume of customer service, millions of customers, so within that scale, of course, there are going to be a few bad apples," Matin said. "Obviously, we have to do much better."
Resolution, or not?
Finally, this month, Gauthier was able to cancel her father's credit card. The AOL charges, going back to last summer, were wiped away, and she was reimbursed for both the charges and late fees.
But the story apparently isn't over. It turns out that Gauthier also has an AOL account, established more than a decade ago when her two daughters were pre-teens first learning to surf the Internet. She has no idea what has become of the account; it has been dormant for years.
She never used it. She's hesitant to find out its status.
"After going through all that trouble over my father, I'm not sure I could handle that again," she said.
Plus, there's this: A few days ago, Gauthier obtained a letter from AOL that was sent to her mother in Florida. The letter was addressed to Melvin Berkowitz.
"Dear Mr. Berkowitz," it said. "We hope you'll come back to AOL."
The lesson we have learned here:
Once an AOL customer, always an AOL customer.