Just some advice

itsme27 · May 05, 2004, 10:36:00 AM

When the auto programs came out I downloaded and purchased quite a few. I had then restored my computer not realizing that I would lose my programs. I had asked several times for help but anyway no one could help unless I bought them again.
Any way that doesn't matter cause later pogo came out with the announcement that all cheat programs were not allowed. Those who don't get caught I am all for you all but just to warn you I have had a friend just recently get his account blocked and lost over 5 million tokens and his subscription to pogo club games and it was not because he used the auto games where he was obvious on cheating but they tapped into his computer and found the cheat programs in his operating system. So, other than being just obvious on the games they can find out if you have them in your computer and at the time of any win on the jackpots they check to see if they are in your system. Whether at the time you were using the program and won the jackpot or not if you have any of the "autos" to any game you will forfeit all wins and your account. So just some friendly advice on the updates.

admin · May 05, 2004, 10:58:28 AM

First, if you have proof of purchase from before, if you restore your computer and need download the programs again PogoPal will send you new codes for free. If you don't have any proof, then there's nothing you can do about it.

Second, where you say "they tapped into his computer and found the cheat programs in his operating system." is COMPLETELY false. As stated many, many times, Pogo never knows for sure that you are cheating, and IN NO WAY CAN HACK YOUR COMPUTER TO SEE WHAT PROGRAMS YOU HAVE. Your friend must be greatly mistaken.

You can cheat the way you want... If you want to make it obvious, go right ahead (and even then it's not guaranteed that your account will get blocked,) or if you want to make it impossible for Pogo to tell, you can do that too.

QuoteSo, other than being just obvious on the games they can find out if you have them in your computer and at the time of any win on the jackpots they check to see if they are in your system.

Again, as stated above, completely false.

I can't say that you had the best "friendly advise"... ::) Before making crazy accusations, it might be a good idea to see if they are true or not.

itsme27 · May 05, 2004, 12:02:40 PM

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I can't say that you had the best "friendly advise"... ::) Before making crazy accusations, it might be a good idea to see if they are true or not.

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First of all no need in the rudeness second of all it is being looked into as to how they found the cheat programs. They have advised that they have software which is legal to protect from banning accounts that are not using the software and banning the ones who do. Most of the time the accounts will not be banned unless a jackpot is won then the cheat programs are found. In all terms so far it has been found legal but is also still being investigated. In all terms tho since money is being paid out on the winning of the jackpot then they find it fair to state that cheat programs are not to be used. If interested any other info found out I would gladly pass it on on the process of the case but in the ones who want to be rude on my information I have given I will no longer try to help in the safeness of being able to still use the software without being detected.

LuLu · May 05, 2004, 12:27:27 PM

Well, that's funny because I seem to recall you (or another person) saying that in a Mahjong chat room this morning....or at least someone mentioned that their friend lost 5 million tokens...also the person said that their own Mahjong program doesn't work anymore....hmmmm.....

itsme27 · May 05, 2004, 12:29:14 PM

Well I just joined this site today and first time I have ever posted on this site so you have the wrong person.

LuLu · May 05, 2004, 12:36:48 PM

I didn't mean posting in this forum, I meant in the Mahjong chat room this morning....sorry if you missunderstood.

itsme27 · May 05, 2004, 12:38:41 PM

Sorry yes I misunderstood you but have not been able to get in Mahjong Garden today either.

Homer · May 05, 2004, 01:12:30 PM

I wonder if pogo bluffed your friend into confessing. ??? I think that it is likely they question every jackpot winner about using autos. Sometimes they get people to fess up and some times they don't.

Besides isn't it illegal for someone to hack into your computer? ??? That's what they would be doing if what you say is true.

admin · May 05, 2004, 01:18:21 PM

QuoteI have had a friend just recently get his account blocked and lost over 5 million tokens and his subscription to pogo club games and it was not because he used the auto games where he was obvious on cheating but they tapped into his computer and found the cheat programs in his operating system. So, other than being just obvious on the games they can find out if you have them in your computer and at the time of any win on the jackpots they check to see if they are in your system. Whether at the time you were using the program and won the jackpot or not if you have any of the "autos" to any game you will forfeit all wins and your account. So just some friendly advice on the updates.

Please explain why your friend thinks that Pogo "tapped into his computer and found the cheat programs".

Element · May 05, 2004, 03:39:28 PM

lol nah i was gonna say i completly agree with you DJ :)

ImRicherThanUAll · May 05, 2004, 06:42:41 PM

HERE DJ!!! <the heat> lol.... Dj i agree lol

itsme27 · May 05, 2004, 11:48:43 PM

okay what a nice site I will be sure to let all my friends know and join the forum and for your info i am not mad i have purchased other programs that i use was just trying to help and legal actions are being taken to what form they can be. I can see the link between this site and the pogopal site so i will no longer be dealing with either and hope that whoever runs this site deletes my account because I was under the impression that this site was to help others out and let them know things not to be rude but i forgot that is what most society idiots do thanks

fatkid · May 06, 2004, 12:16:51 AM

Sounds like I should have logged on earlier to play the Devil's advocate... Too late, but here goes anyways...

Excerpt from the EA© Online TOS

Quote"You will violate the Terms of Service if you (or others using your Account) do any of the following:
...Use or distribute "auto" software programs, "macro" software programs or other "cheat utility" software program or applications.

User's Computer Information.
When you connect to EA Online, we may retrieve information from the computer used to log onto the Service about the computer's hardware system and any data related to the computer's operation of EA Online Software. We will not collect any personal information about you, however, without your knowledge and consent as stated in our Privacy Policy."

Sounds like a pretty broad statement to me... Also the real ass kicker in this is the "and any data related to the computer's operation of EA Online Software"... So if they choose to implement some kind of "Punk Buster" for the Pogo.com games that does a quick search for the cheat programs, that is totally within their realm of legal actions. By signing up for an account with EA you agree to this TOS whether you read it in full or not, and I'm sure that EA could argue successfully in a court of law, that a PunkBuster scan like the one I described above, is completely in line with their TOS that YOU AGREED to... :-

Now I've never seen evidence of such actions by EA, but I think you would lose in court DJ... Then your lawyer would have it made for a few months or so off of you... :P

And finally to nail this coffin down...

More excerpts from the EA© Online TOS

QuoteYOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT EA, ITS SUBSIDIARIES, LICENSORS AND AFFILIATES ARE NOT LIABLE FOR ANY ACT OR FAILURE TO ACT BY THEM OR ANY OTHER PERSON REGARDING CONDUCT, COMMUNICATION OR CONTENT ON THE SERVICE OR USE OF EA ONLINE SOFTWARE. IN NO CASE SHALL EA OR ITS SUBSIDIARIES, LICENSORS, AFFILIATES', EMPLOYEES', OFFICERS', OR DIRECTORS' (COLLECTIVELY, "EA AFFILIATES") LIABILITY TO YOU EXCEED THE AMOUNT THAT YOU PAID TO EA FOR THE SERVICE. IN NO CASE SHALL EA OR EA ONLINE AFFILIATES BE LIABLE FOR INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES ARISING FROM YOUR USE OF EA ONLINE, EA ONLINE SOFTWARE, THE INTERNET OR FOR ANY OTHER CLAIM RELATED IN ANY WAY TO YOUR USE OF OR MEMBERSHIP WITH EA ONLINE.

At best DJ, you could win the cost of a ClubPogo membership that you may have lost... Even then if Pogo can prove that you cheated, you would be up the proverbial "shit creek, with no paddle"... So just because you have Macroscheduler or a c++ complier on your computer wouldn't mean that you would get banned... But if they suspect cheating all ready and then find the "means" to cheat (which those means are interperted soley by EA and not up to arguement by you; once again the TOS) they can cancel your account...

check... ;)
*yawn* This game is so easy...

itsme27 · May 06, 2004, 12:20:04 AM

Thank you very much for putting into terms as what I was trying to tell these people.

fatkid · May 06, 2004, 12:22:46 AM

Don't worry itsme... Sometimes these guys can all be a bunch of haters :P... But there are still some of us that have our sanity intact enough to communicate in a civil world... :)

itsme27 · May 06, 2004, 01:50:06 AM

I have never said anything about them hacking but they can retrieve information and have found not sure either components that are used in the auto software of something that can detect the programs being used to cheat on the programs and like it was quoted their is so far no way that this was illegal to do cause they did state that they can retrieve info of your operating system as long as they don't retrieve personal information. So in a way it is kind of hacking but when signing up with their site everyone who received an account has allowed them to have certain access to their operating system, including any software used during your game time on their site.

itsme27 · May 06, 2004, 01:58:21 AM

Thanks and was just trying to help not start a big fight with everyone. I myself included have used the software and still do but for the ones who say it is legal to use them and that nothing can be done about it I was just wanting to clarify that they can do something.

Homer · May 06, 2004, 03:44:55 AM

Here's an idea. Don't know if it would work. ??? How about rather than storing the autos on your pc you saved them to a cd-r and popped in the cd when you wanted to use one. Then when you hit the jackpot you could easily delete the program quickly before your pc is scanned. I'm assuming that they would only scan your pc if you hit the jackpot. I doubt they scan every time you log on. Of course this is all assuming that you are near your pc when you win. ;)

fatkid · May 06, 2004, 06:20:06 AM

You would need to go into your registry and do some cleaning... If I'm not mistaken that is where the activation for your program is stored, and without that you would be using the trial version instead of a fully registered version... So if you could just clean out those entries... But I think you would be hard pressed to find those registry keys on your own because if you could, you would have a much easier time a: reseting your trial time and b: creating a fully registered copy of the game without having to pay for it... Maybe I'm mistaken and PogoPal would be all about telling you where they save that info on their computers, but he's got to pay the rent some how... ::)

Anyways, like I said before I've never seen or heard anything for myself that proves that EA does get into your computer... And heck, if I was really all that paranoid as to what was going on when I logged into games and whatnot I could just use a packet sniffer to see what kind of packets are going in and out of my machine for that game... I've got a few firewalls setup on my computer and they've never seen any kind of "funny" business going in and out of my computer, but that's not to say some kind of scan could occur directly through port 80 (http) when I connect to the games... I have had accounts blocked though... Club accounts too where they took my money and ran... I don't blame the auto makers though... I just ran bb7 for like 3 days straight... I think when you make those kinds of tokens that fast they get pretty suspicious...

And I'm glad we can all be friends once again... Sharing is caring, and all that other BS... :)

JakenAiken · May 06, 2004, 07:20:27 AM

I don't get it. He says after he bought some programs pogo announced that auto programs weren't allowed. As far as I know..they've never been allowed. He said it didn't matter about not getting his programs back since they weren't allowed anyway so he's acting like he's following the rules but yet hes a member of pogocheats.

Just some advice

JakenAiken